Training works...
Posted on 08/01/2018 12:24:10 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
Officers responding to a home invasion in Colorado reportedly gunned down the homeowner — moments after he reportedly fatally shot the intruder.
(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...
If you have a gun in your hand around a police officer you will be shot without warning. The cop(s) will not be punished because that is how they are trained and are following dept guidelines.
Do you believe that they’d want to repeat everything that I said in court? Huh? ;-)
Funny - your Costco tagline. Reminds me of the Las Vegas Costco shooting where a guy with a concealed pistol - in a zippered case - was leaving the store and several cops stopped him.
“Hands in the air!!!”
“Drop the gun!!!”
“Get on your knees!!!”
Except it was each cop saying something different all at the same time.
“Uhm , wha..”
“Bang, bang, bang.”
Someone in a police academy, long ago, to classmates during a class on bullet placement: “I’d probably shoot ‘em in the legs.” [Much indignation, fear, excitement and arguments followed.]
“Well, okay, maybe a little higher, around the groin and hip area.” [Groans, moans, expletives,...]
The feedback fun at the range following the part of the qualification at the 7-yard part of the test was even better (double taps with head shots).
;-)
Thanks! Looks like Costco man should have concealed it better immediately after the incident. ...and acted more calm. That’s all that a person can do. If the cops open fire on them then, oh, well. There are consequences to everything. And from criminology, criminals don’t consider consequences.
Food for thought for everyone. We won’t live forever.
Everyone should calculate the odds of carrying or not, each for his or her own situation. Just be sure to get as much training as possible, and get the permit, even in a constitutional carry state. Attend a school, even if the school is run by a retard. It’s good training for keeping our mouths shut and staying humble (very important for self-defense).
Attend another school, and another.
Continue training. Doing background checks for concealed carry permits make’s ‘em feel better to know the cleaner neighbors they might meet, and in some states, allows for reciprocation in more of the other states. There are always risks...like accidentally shooting oneself in the leg. Even a cop does that once in a while. Even good people who try the hardest are human and can only do the best that we can do. And we all have our bad days and good days.
Any police reading this should also remember that many drug-free, clean living, nice older men and women might look a little crazy at times while having a problem with diabetes, strokes and the like, especially after too much excitement—like a car stop, for example. And younger residents aren’t all bad, either. Some of them are really good, clean and well trained. Some of them just might not be trained on how to calm someone else who’s hysterical and too impulsive. We’re not all shrinks, you know.
Wait...you said “a zippered case.” Was it in his hand, when they arrived?
Repeated outrage isn’t getting anyone anywhere. Let’s have some ideas.
Police, dispatchers and administrators need some seminars. So do residents who carry. Need some kind of interface without a show of vanity—that is, vanity as in, “Lay down on your stomach, and bark like a dog! Now beg!”
There shouldn’t be any need for that. A check could be done on a location in advance to see if residents have it under control. Approaches could be a little more careful. Mental evaluations for new hires might otherwise be needed.
Lobby.
Cops in this country ought to be certified and let loose as cops only after taking 3 years of training. Sick of this bullsh8t.
Tell the cops: “ I got nothing to say” it gives you something to say without giving any information. Train your kids this way too.
*** “In the background of a call to 911 played for the jury, Mosher (the cop) can be heard yelling, “Put your hands where I can see them now. Drop it! Get on the ground! Get on the ground!”
The shooting wouldn’t have happened, he said, if Scott had complied with the commands issued by police to get on the ground.*******
Oh - here is from another article:
And he was carrying two guns — the second was found as paramedics took him to the hospital.
The article later states:
After Scott was shot, Wentworth Eatherton [a witness and CCW] said, he saw a gun in a “gun rug” fall from Scott’s right side and slide about four feet in front of him.
He said he later noticed the gun was gone. He said the gun in a holster shown to him in a photo by Chief Deputy District Attorney Christopher Laurent wasn’t the gun he saw. *****
Although there are other conflicting things in the article. And it may be the witnesses are confused, or the reporting sucks.
In this article it doesn't say a zippered case - but I'm pretty sure I had read that elsewhere. But then how could the witness have see the gun? And that it wasn't the same one in the photo in a holster?
Oh - here is from another article:
And he was carrying two guns — the second was found as paramedics took him to the hospital.
The deceased (Scott) was a West Point graduate and veteran. He was described as “confrontational” in the store. One witness said that it appeared he had opened a package of bottled water to see how many he could get into a backpack that he was thinking of buying. An employee saw the gun and told him that he had to leave the store. He said something like “I'm an Army Vet and have a permit.”
Me? I would have said “Oh, well I have a permit, but if that is your policy - I'll leave. And never come back.”
I also wouldn't have been pulling out bottles out of a package before I bought them. Heck - I wouldn't even open up the snack box to keep my kids quiet. Although I did leave a cart full of groceries at the store when they whined one time. “Okay - that's it. We're leaving, and no snacks when we get home.” (Whispered to the check-out gal to hold the cart - I'd be back in 10 minutes after I dropped the kids off at home).
Well - got a bit off topic here. But yeah - you need to keep your wits about you when you carry. Although after immediately shooting an intruder in your home - I'm guessing you may have used up all of your wits for those 20 seconds. Shock, adrenalin, tunnel vision, hearing loss. And obviously the cops were pretty amped up as well, approaching a home and having shots ring out, and then see a person with a gun.
Sounds to me like a relative or family member, maybe some kind of domestic violence situation, but not enough details to draw a conclusion.
“Then the police pigs showed up and shot the homeowner.”
I have no problem criticizing police who do something wrong but it’s not right to refer to them generically as pigs. That’s what the f’in Hippies/BLM/leftys do.
Too bad he didn’t have a dog...
Training works...
Something very hard for me to do at times. Like last week when fishing my favorite creek. Some a$$hole jumps in front of me just as I'm getting into the best water.
That's good advice. Especially, if you know the cops have arrived, which the homeowner might not have. He had just shot an intruder in self-defense, and his ears were ringing and his adrenaline flowing. The police arrived heard those shots, and drilled him.
Bingo.
The LEOs heard gunshots, so the homeowner had just fired shots and probably thought there might be other intruders in the house. There is nothing in the article indicating the officers identified themselves, so if they didn’t, they should have a big part of the blame here.
If they did ID themselves, I wonder if the 73 YO homeowner heard them, or if because he was in a self protection mindset, the words didn’t register.
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