Posted on 07/27/2018 5:40:36 AM PDT by Kaslin
I couldn't get further than this.
Maybe I live under a rock, but I have not heard that Trump was de-Reaganizing the GOP. That seems like a stupid thing to say. Reagan was concerned about immigration, Reagan had an active and forceful foreign policy, Reagan cut taxes, Reagan made trade deals for the US -- in what way is Trump deviating?
Also, the "Never Trump" movement is certainly not about the return to gentlemanly policies. It's about globalization and whether the US should be strong and sovereign. The "Never Trump" people answer "No -- we should be part of the New World Order". Trump answers "Yes -- MAGA".
Politeness is a made-up concern for the media. No one really cares about the gentlemanly aspects (which often hide awful corruption).
We are at war with the left. The left does not understand or appreciate civility. We should not bring just a knife to a gunfight.
All the never Trumpers I know work in the international business world. They are a small minority in the U.S.
Part of my problem with D’Souza is that he does not know American history.
Lincoln did not survive the war.
I hope D’Souza does not create another mess that President Trump will have to clean up, pardon the expression.
Wow. Totally impressed with the excerpt of D’Souza’s manifesto. I think D’Souza is a kind of prophet, a seer. The Trump team would do exceedingly well to study and learn from D’Souza as this may assist them add greater focus to their course they appear to be charting.
What D’Souza says here is exciting. There is a real chance to recalibrate the dreck that has been rotting our society since the mid 60’s. I sincerely pray that men of courage would now rise up.
Since Reagan, the GOP became a party dominated by undocumented Democrats in R jerseys that I call Bush League Republicans.
They pretended to be conservative while carrying out bipartisan policies designed to turn the country into North Mexico.
Without Trump it was a very short time before the GOP was irrelevant.
“No — we should be part of the New World Order”.
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GHW Bush recognized that we would not vote for the New World Order so he went about importing people who would.
His sons, including adopted Slick Willy, carried that out.
He is, correctly, observing that Trump is operating in a political environment that much more closely approximates that in which Lincoln found himself than what Reagan had to deal with in the 80's.
The article is pretty well thought out and addresses many of the areas that cause most politicians to simply shrug their shoulders.
As he usually does, D'Soussa is talented in identifying problem areas and offering very broad remedies, but if this article is an indication of what the book is going to be, he's kinda thin on what specifically should be done about any of them.
Th Republican Establishment HATED RONALD REAGAN..........
Part of my problem with D’Souza is that he does not know American history.“Before the war Lincoln was committed to fighting only for the former; only after the war did he move tentatively in the direction of the latter.”
Lincoln did not survive the war.
I hope D’Souza does not create another mess that President Trump will have to clean up, pardon the expression.
Lincoln survived only 5 days after the surrender of Lee at Appomattox Courthouse. The war was winding down but not ended on April 14, 1865. But it would be fair to say that the Confederacy actually lost the war when Lincoln was reelected in November of 1864. The 13th Amendment was proposed on Jan 31, 1865 (and ratified in December of that year).You are splitting hairs and making a broad statement that "D’Souza . . . does not know American history." I consider the proposition that you know more American history than D’Souza does to be unproven.
Democratic Plantation has been exposed by Trump big time no place for them they are dangerous waste.
For several reasons, that will not work.
Let me cite a specific example. D’Souza wants black voters to pull a straight R ticket so he invokes Lincoln's supposed commitment to civil rights.
But everyone with a computer knows Lincoln's real views: “I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”
Lincoln's advocacy of white supremacy is not going to attract black votes today.
A better course of action would be for conservatives to have a message that appeals to voters of all colors: hard work, high morals, clean livings, respect for flag and country, and optimism for the future. That would attract a lot of new voters both black and white.
“Part of my problem with D’Souza is that he does not know American history.”
That’s for sure but his fan club either doesn’t notice or doesn’t care.
One of D’Souza’s greatest skills seems to be his ability to pose as a victim. Poor Dinesh, unfairly prosecuted by the Democrats. Well that might fly if he didn’t have a history of playing fast and loose with ethics.
He got booted from his cushy job as head of a Christian college because he was shacking up with someone other than his wife. Oops. He tried making a name for himself by accusing paleocons of racism, while plagiarizing the books of the people he was accusing. Oops. The campaign law that he was jailed for violating was a law that he knew existed, and which he purposely tried to evade- it wasn’t an honest mistake. Oops.
What’s eventually going to happen is that people are going to figure out that he’s just another David Frum, David Brock- two other frauds who managed to pass themselves off conservative writers.
People who inveigh against racism are cockeyed optimists. And/or hypocrites. The Democrat slaveowners of the South were products of their environment just as surely as we are products of our own, quite different, environment. And the slaves in the South were products of their environment as well. And so, for that matter, were the Germans who lived under, and cooperated with, the NAZI party. And so was Patty Hurst, and any other victim of the Stockholm Syndrome. That is a matter of fact.It is also a fact that the Japanese - for only one example - define their country as consisting of people who are related to the Emperor. Which is racism, neat. And there is no reason to assume that African blacks are immune to the phenomenon; they have their individual tribes and intertribal conflicts, too. The idea that racism is even wrong is a modern American cultural supposition. You can find support for the thesis in the writings of Paul, but you can also find the Epistle to Philemon, addressed respectfully to a slaveowner, there too. Christian culture does undergo changes.
I came of age in the 1950s, and decided to be a Republican in part because of Lincoln. But then, I grew up in the North. Had I been raised in the South and been subject to less Union and more Confederate sympathy, who knows?
Three quarters of a century ago, open racism in the South by whites was a thing. But Thomas Sowell has pointed out that he has dined out with a blonde white woman in Atlanta, without the slightest incident - and that would have been an extremely dangerous thing to do in 1950. Back then, the South was - “the Solid South.” A Republican couldn’t get elected Dogcatcher, and the Democrat primary was the real election. Go back twenty years before that, and blacks were all Republican - if they dared to vote. Open racism by Republicans has never been a thing. Discrimination, yes, surely - but not open racism. YOU ARE STILL CRYING WOLF (About Trump “Racism”) was written by an anti-Trump Democrat - but one who recognized (in 2016) that Democrats were claiming Trump was an open racist - when whatever charge of covert racism you might attempt to lay against him, Trump never openly espoused racism. The writer points out that KKK-style open racists simply are not, now, a voting bloc of any importance at all.
D’Souza points out that the Democrats jumped from open racism against blacks to coopting blacks, and giving them a fish in preference to teaching them to fish. The Republican position has been pretty steady at, “Blacks have problems, but the last thing they need is ‘I’m from the government and I’m here to help.’” The Democrats’ “help” is minimum wage laws that make it hard for low-educated people to get in the labor force. And unlimited competition for low-skill jobs from Mexico (and points south).
In short I agree that Lincoln in particular and whites in general were racist in the Nineteenth Century. But then, blacks were damaged goods - damaged systematically by slaveowners. D’Souza’s message to blacks is that they - and only they - can transcend that. Remaining in lockstep with people whose settled politics is active promotion of racial distinctions and quotas is a Faustian bargain.
Blacks can become a truly potent political force when they find a way to make common cause with whites. They have that opportunity in principle with Trump, because he openly and frankly listened to them and asked for their vote in a way that not even Jack Kemp achieved (not for lack of trying). Now that he is delivering, and black unemployment is at a historic low, maybe they can take “yes” for an answer from Republicans. Because Republicans always hoped for low black unemployment, whereas Democrats are all lip service and no desire for actual results which threaten to allow blacks to realize they don’t need Democrats. Competition in education is beneficial to blacks (and whites) and blacks know it. Yet they vote for Democrats whose actual constituency is the Teacher’s Union.
If, as in days gone by, 90% of blacks voted Republican, of course the Democratic Party would disappear without a trace. That isn’t happening. All it really takes is 20% or 25%, and American politics would undergo a tectonic shift.
Updated.
That is an interesting comment.
But let's not forget who the slave states were, and who voted to enshrine slavery into the United States constitution. New York. New Jersey. New Hampshire. And Connecticut, and Pennsylvania and Massachusetts. And Rhode Island, and Delaware, and Maryland.
Virginia, North and South Carolina, and Georgia were also slave states. We must always cast 4/13 apportion of responsibility in that direction.
“Open racism by Republicans has never been a thing.”
Reread Lincoln’s comments: “I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”
David Frum and David Brock. I have been trying to forget those two.
But you are right. D’Souza is of that ilk and is probably just a commercial writer filling what he sees as a niche market.
Kathleen Parker is another professional writer playing a role about which she knows nothing.
That is an interesting comment.The Democrat slaveowners of the South were products of their environment just as surely as we are products of our own, quite different, environment.”
How would you feel if the government suddenly decided that you would never have use of any electricity again? Very ill-used, I make no doubt. Well, that’s just a sample of the reasons why an American secretary today would have to think long and hard about exchanging her circumstances with those Queen Victoria (1819-1901) lived in. And, certainly, the slave owners of the South were no better off than Queen Victoria was.The environment those slaveowners grew up in was smug and super-entitled compared to most people in their day, but that just means that they were raised to expect - demand - to be waited on hand and foot. Just like we (well, our children at least) were raised to expect TV, dishwashers, and all the other appliances which you are acutely reminded of when the power is off and they don’t work. You assume that you would have behaved differently in the shoes of slaveholders, but Jordan Peterson will tell you that you would not. On the basis of his psychological studies of the behavior of Germans living under Hitler’s regime, he will tell you that things work differently than we would like to think.
As Lincoln put it,
“Don’t criticize them; they are just what we would be under similar circumstances.”
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