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Artificial Intelligence Shows Why Atheism Is Unpopular
The Atlantic ^ | Jul 23, 2018 | Sigal Samuel

Posted on 07/26/2018 9:24:33 AM PDT by edwinland

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To: edwinland

Because it is false.


21 posted on 07/26/2018 11:56:51 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: A_perfect_lady

I don’t know my wife’s 20 something millennial nephew is a atheist convert from his college indoctrination and he is an insufferable little bast&rd with his mockery and rants against believers. But he considers himself “the friendly atheist!” I suggested he look up the definition of friendly, because he ain’t it.


22 posted on 07/26/2018 12:07:50 PM PDT by sarge83
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To: sarge83

It takes about 10 years for a freshly-molted atheist to mellow until they are fit for human companionship, and only then if they are conservative. If they are liberal, it never happens.


23 posted on 07/26/2018 12:25:29 PM PDT by A_perfect_lady
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To: A_perfect_lady

He is most definitely a liberal. Actually he’s a flaming socialist working as an accountant in the health care system. He knows better but alas he went to college and bought into the program hook, line, sinker, reel, tackle box and cooler.


24 posted on 07/26/2018 12:38:26 PM PDT by sarge83
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To: sarge83
Tell your atheist nephew that, while you disagree with it, you respect his faith. When he calms down again; point out to him that both theism and atheism are faith-based belief systems. (Outside the realm of science.) You probably won't change any worldviews — but, it's really fun to watch the reaction of your target atheist.
25 posted on 07/26/2018 12:50:16 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: COBOL2Java

“I always like to think of it like a beautiful museum with an infinite number of rooms.”

I used to view G-d’s “rooms” like a spiritual “bookshelf” with which, on our journey with G-d, we look into them until we find the one marked “myself”. I put that in a poem I wrote in my teens. Of course, in our teens we are alot about realizing our identity in so many ways.


26 posted on 07/26/2018 2:38:46 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: edwinland

“I was more focused on the goal of their social engineering (secularism) rather than the means (modelling) but your comment really puts the two together. Their faith in modelling (which is essentially a reduction of the complexity of the universe into a simplistic cartoon) is directly connected to their embrace of secularism.”

You are so right. The two are so connected.

Atheism is bound up with a securlar belief in “reason” as the ultimate truth, and yet how can reason and logic explain ultimate truth of the universe unless that universe is based (created/designed) on a higher reason and logic (which the secular atheist thinks he/she can reach), and yet how can THAT be if NOTHING is behind it all.


27 posted on 07/26/2018 2:55:37 PM PDT by Wuli
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Years ago, Wildman built a model to figure out what makes some extremist groups survive and thrive while others disintegrate. It turned out one of the most important factors is a highly charismatic leader who personally practices what he preaches. “This immediately implied an assassination criterion,”

I feel deeply uncomfortable that one of my models accidentally produced a criterion for killing religious leaders.”

If a religious leader chooses to put him self on the path of terrorism he has put himself outside of the moral protections of a life of faith.

Anyone willing to kill to advance their religion should be put down like the rabid dog that they are.

Putting such people in prison is counterproductive to which our American prisons systems give direct evidence.

One of the most productive places for Islamic conversions is the American penal system. Islamic evangelism should be banned there. Adherents to Islam should be segregated from the general population. Islam should be considered a communicable disease requiring quarantine.

28 posted on 07/27/2018 6:14:48 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
What we are calling AI is nothing more than intricate if-then programming.

I think you're confusing RPA (Robotic Process Automation) with AI. RPA is more akin to intricate if-then-else programming. Artificial Intelligence is based on algorithms that are capable of learning and those algorithms are typically limited in scope and purpose to keep the amount of data required to drive the AI process down to a reasonable amount. More on that below .....

Even the neural networks they incorporate are not AI. Neural networks merely memorize patterns.

A neural network is a series of algorithms that endeavors to recognize underlying relationships in a set of data through a process that mimics the way the human brain operates.

Given the millions, billions, trillions of calculations a human brain does in any decision making process and the variables in those decisions, my own opinion here is that a true neural network that can 100% mimic the human brain is impossible to create. Why? Two reasons. First, we're human and we're imperfect. Second, one can never underestimate the level of stupidity a human can display at any point in time. The amount of data required to get close to creating a near-human neural network would be so massive that we lack the computing power today (and likely the foreseeable future) to ever create one. Just my opinion here.

True intelligence requires conscious self-awareness. Consciousness is a quantum mechanical phenomenon. You will never achieve it through software alone.

I don't think I could possibly agree with this statement more! And this right here is why self-driving cars will never ever replace humans behind the wheel in a meaningful way. I'm going to borrow your statement during my next debate with my oldest son on that topic. I'm sure it'll shut him down lock, stock and barrel!

29 posted on 07/27/2018 6:34:32 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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“The MODRN model gives you a recipe for accelerating secularization—and it gives you a recipe for blocking it. You can use it to make everything revert to supernaturalism by messing with some of those key conditions—say, by triggering some ecological disaster. Then everything goes plunging back into pre-secularism. That keeps me up at night.”

I guess we know where his sympathies lie.

People returning to their faith is a plunge backward in to superstition.

30 posted on 07/27/2018 6:40:48 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: edwinland
Artificial Intelligence Shows Why Atheism Is Unpopular

Having read the entire article I am rather disappointed that it really did not posit a theory as to why atheism is unpopular.

The only expression in the article that comes close is the theory that secularism is not advancing in the US as fast as in Europe because the national government does not have complete control of education.

Lucky for the Atlantic that there is no truth in labeling law for atricles.

31 posted on 07/27/2018 6:50:22 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

And?


33 posted on 07/27/2018 6:55:09 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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"For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountain of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries." ― Robert Jastrow, God and the Astronomers
34 posted on 07/27/2018 6:55:40 PM PDT by Zeneta
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To: usconservative

You regurgitated something about neural networks that you read somewhere.

Have you ever done anything with neural networks besides script-kiddy stuff?

Can you explain the mathematics of a neuron or the feed-forward/backpropagation learning algorithm?

My article does.


35 posted on 07/27/2018 7:00:09 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (<img src="http://i.imgur.com/WukZwJP.gif" width=600><p>https://i.imgur.com/zXSEP5Z.gif)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

And?


36 posted on 07/27/2018 7:00:44 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: usconservative

You acted like you know everything about neural networks.

Prove it.

I will save you the trouble: “And?”


37 posted on 07/27/2018 7:03:31 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (<img src="http://i.imgur.com/WukZwJP.gif" width=600><p>https://i.imgur.com/zXSEP5Z.gif)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I did no such thing. You’re assuming. Lighten up Francis.


38 posted on 07/27/2018 7:04:49 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: usconservative
A neural network is a series of algorithms that endeavors to recognize underlying relationships in a set of data through a process that mimics the way the human brain operates.

You said that like you know what you're talking about, and it's gibberish, Frances.

39 posted on 07/27/2018 7:07:58 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (<img src="http://i.imgur.com/WukZwJP.gif" width=600><p>https://i.imgur.com/zXSEP5Z.gif)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
It was also posted in agreement with the statement you made above it.

What exactly is your beef here? I liked your post, commented on it based on what I understand as I do read up on these things and you attack me. Even when my post was in agreement with yours.

Try getting out more or something. Sheesh.

40 posted on 07/27/2018 7:13:46 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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