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California Was Warned Months Ago Its Grid Could Buckle In The Heat. Now It’s Happening
The Daily Caller ^ | 07/24/2018 | Michael Bastasch

Posted on 07/24/2018 11:58:18 AM PDT by detective

California’s grid operator is asking customers to limit electricity use during peak hours to help keep power flowing as a “heat dome” settles over the southwestern U.S.

But they were warned of this months ago. The North American Electric Reliability Corporation (NERC) warned in May that California faced “significant risk of encountering operating conditions that could result in operating reserve shortfalls.”

Expected power demand is expected to outstrip California’s available generating capacity by about 5,000 megawatts on Tuesday, according to the California Independent System Operator (CAISO).

(Excerpt) Read more at dailycaller.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: caiso; california; electricity; shortages
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To: marktwain

Yes, but they didn’t have all the wonderful things available to them that our leaders today do. Our leaders today seem unable to grasp that we have excellent resources that have become available since the 1800s.

If you didn’t know better you’d think some of our leaders still live in caves, and never had an education equal to the third grade.


61 posted on 07/24/2018 1:45:28 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (01/26/18 DJIA 30 stocks $26,616.71 48.794% > open 11/07/16 215.71 from 50% increase 1.2183 yrs)
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To: detective

Build more windmills. Collect more unicorn farts.


62 posted on 07/24/2018 1:57:20 PM PDT by Bryanw92 (Asking a pro athlete for political advice is like asking a cavalry horse for tactical advice.)
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To: detective

Watch for Maxine Pelosi to calculate that if they cut California in thirds then it will cut electric usage by a third.


63 posted on 07/24/2018 1:58:00 PM PDT by spintreebob
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To: Bonemaker

I’m sure the sidewalk grit on the bottom of that egg will put hair on your chest.


64 posted on 07/24/2018 2:04:06 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks ( The US Constitution ....... Invented by geniuses and God .... Administered by morons ......)
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To: semaj

Rancho Seco is now 2 small radwaste storage buildings and non-functional cooling towers, which couldn’t be brought down per the FAA since they continue to serve as navigational aids in the flatland of the Sac valley.

Send you appreciation to the SMUD customers for their “forward-thinking” votes in 1989.

Future post to comment upon the 2500 megawatts that got deleted from the CA grid at San Onofre.


65 posted on 07/24/2018 2:04:59 PM PDT by spiderpig (does whatever a SpiderPig does)
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To: DoughtyOne

When people have less, they have to think more!


66 posted on 07/24/2018 2:06:37 PM PDT by marktwain (President Trump and his supporters are the Resistance. His opponents are the Reactionaries.)
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To: marktwain

I think that’s a reasoned statement.

Sadly some of them dedicate themselves to tapping the government till.


67 posted on 07/24/2018 2:08:42 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (01/26/18 DJIA 30 stocks $26,616.71 48.794% > open 11/07/16 215.71 from 50% increase 1.2183 yrs)
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To: Scrambler Bob

Perhaps a few good projects will actually get done.

Despite the pathetic leadership in Sacramento.


68 posted on 07/24/2018 2:30:52 PM PDT by karnage
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To: Amendment10

The Solar Farms had and have nothing to do with our electricity usage, they were setup for the Military and their brand new Meteor Cannon out in the Nevada Desert.


69 posted on 07/24/2018 3:08:23 PM PDT by eyeamok
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To: detective

Places that use lots of AC in the summer are one of the good applications for home based solar. Solar will never be more than a small part of the overall power, but it gets the most electricity right when you need it for AC and takes the strain off the grid.


70 posted on 07/24/2018 3:12:46 PM PDT by Hugin (Conservatism without Nationalism is ba fraud.,)
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To: cuban leaf
Of course it’s still a dumb idea. It will help California the same way a Pay Day Loan helps the lendee.

Not really. You're not borrowing electricity, you're making more. A better analogy is getting a 2nd part time job to pay some extra expenses that crop up.

71 posted on 07/24/2018 3:17:02 PM PDT by Hugin (Conservatism without Nationalism is ba fraud.,)
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To: detective

Easy math.
Load+contingency reserve (loss of the single largest resource) must be less than total resources.


72 posted on 07/24/2018 3:26:29 PM PDT by hadaclueonce ( This time I am Deplorable)
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To: DoughtyOne
Several weeks ago I rode my mo-ped six miles one way up hill to see my parents in 113 degree heat.

Man, have you got it easy. If I want to visit my parents, it's uphill both ways ...

73 posted on 07/24/2018 3:45:22 PM PDT by BlueLancer (Antifa and Social Justice Warriors (SJWs) = SturmAbteilung)
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To: detective

well IF the demand gets near 50k megs, we’ll know. Like I said, it rarely gets above 40K and if you look at the Available MW, its over 50k +.


74 posted on 07/24/2018 4:39:18 PM PDT by davidb56
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To: davidb56

currently the demand is at 46k mw. with 53k available. If some plants kick off line because of HT shutdown, or throttle back the load for cooling, then Ca MAY have a problem. The air conditioners are running at full load in SF to keep the poop smell from the streets, out of the houses.


75 posted on 07/24/2018 4:45:16 PM PDT by davidb56
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To: davidb56

when you close coal plants...

23 Jul: Houston Public Media: Texas Grid’s Big ‘Test’ Could Last Beyond The Heat Wave
The state is breaking records for electricity use at a time when power reserves have dropped.
by Travis Bubenik
The strain stems from the fact that Texas currently has low power reserves, mostly thanks to three coal plants shutting down this year…

Charles McConnell, head of Rice University’s Energy and Environment Initiative, worries the state has gotten “dangerously close” to brownouts…
https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/2018/07/23/296631/texas-grids-big-test-could-last-beyond-the-heat-wave/

20 Jul: Houston Public Media:Texas Is Using A Record Amount Of Electricity; Could Demand Outpace Supply?
“We fully expect to keep hitting new demand records as summer 2018 continues,” ERCOT said in a statement on Wednesday. It predicted as much in March, when it warned that delayed power supply projects and the closure of three major coal-fired power plants would contribute to “tight operating reserves” and sky-high power prices at times…
https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/2018/07/20/296618/texas-is-using-a-record-amount-of-electricity-could-demand-outpace-supply/

don’t depend on “unreliables” either:

18 Jul: Daily Mail: UK’s turbines producing 40% less electricity as winds ‘disappear’ for six weeks across the UK causing record low electricity production
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5966121/Britains-turbines-producing-40-electricity-winds-disappear-six-weeks.html


76 posted on 07/24/2018 6:57:42 PM PDT by MAGAthon
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To: MAGAthon

yes, and tomorrow in Ca it will be close with a projected demand of 49.4k mw, and the availability hovering around 52-54k mw. If a few providers don’t come up on line, or they dump the load because of issues, they will have brown outs. The grid is designed to provide areas of isolation as to prevent places such as hospitals and worthless F#%kin Government offices uninterrupted power. As for the rest of us.......


77 posted on 07/24/2018 7:14:47 PM PDT by davidb56
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To: BlueLancer

LOL

Well, it’s up-hill part way both ways for me too.

The last block of my return home is very steep.


78 posted on 07/24/2018 7:27:55 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (01/26/18 DJIA 30 stocks $26,616.71 48.794% > open 11/07/16 215.71 from 50% increase 1.2183 yrs)
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To: Tilted Irish Kilt

“prepared for blackouts “

This is the ultimate stupidity I try to point out to eco folks who somehow believe the green energy is a viable solution.

These can only meet about 10% of the demand. Even if you want to be generous and say it’s 20%, that would be like only having power 6 days a month. And that’s not just at your house, but applies to gas stations, stores, traffic signals, etc. so don’t plan on going anywhere.

And watch how folks howl when power is out for a week because of a storm!


79 posted on 07/25/2018 4:18:49 AM PDT by fruser1
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To: Hugin

That analogy works too.

My point wasn’t that it’s about borrowing. My point was that you get what you need now but it will cost you later. It’s only a temporary fix - which is why your analogy works too.


80 posted on 07/25/2018 6:58:36 AM PDT by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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