Posted on 07/22/2018 8:53:20 PM PDT by lasereye
These Never Trumpers are basically indistinguishable from leftists. One question I have is whether these have always been their opinions or whether they have become so unhinged by Trump's unexpected election that they have suddenly adopted these positions as a reason to oppose Trump and Trump supporters. I lean toward the second explanation, although some may fall into one group and some the other.
I see three possibilities. First, the knifers could stop being fratricidal, stop being leftist and learn something about the true basis for conservative principles, so that they stop becoming hysterical over silly errors arising from their own false understanding. Second, one side or the other will take control of the tent and kick the others out. Third, all this continued acrimony might destroy the tent, causing us all to scatter and regroup in more stable and like-minded coalitions.
If the first possibility doesn’t pan out, I don’t know which side will end up owning the word “conservatism.” I’m not sure I even care. The word is now so tainted with error, imprudence, hubris, sanctimony, and failure that it might be better to let others keep it. I do know that change must come—and is coming.
The first won't happen. These people are insane.
I’ll be back to this, because it looks pretty good on first blush.
Some folks just can’t fathom that it was never intended to grant birthright citizenship to every child born on U. S. soil.
This interpretation needs to be smashed, crushed, and destroyed, because it is a false premise that has cost us dearly.
It is continuing to do so also.
It’s my understanding the birthright citizenship was only supposed to be for black and white (indentured) slave children born in what was America at that time. Not for illegals. Never for illegals.
This does need to be clarified and made null and void as the left/GOPe claim it currently is.
I’m not surprised the left/GOPe would get hysterical over getting rid of that loophole since it is vital to their plans to globalize America.
right now we have chinese tourists entering to establish anchor baby status. They aren’t claiming refugee clearance. Such pregnant women should be denied travel visas to the US until their pregnancy is over.
And we have illegal immigrants breaking into the country and dropping a kid and also claiming ties to this land.
Not much different than breaking into your home and demanding a room as a squatter.
In the early nineties, I have a relative who worked very high up in the Los Angeles County hospital, near downtown Los Angeles.
At that time over 90% of all babies delivered at that hospital were the children of illegal aliens.
This person used to answer calls from Mexico, inquiring about what services would be provided to them, if they showed up.
Some progressive propoganda is so insidious even alert Freepers nearly don’t realize it’s there. I rewatched Crosby and Astaire in 1941’s Holiday Inn, the film that brought us White Christmas. They snuck in FDR’s mug amidst an ode to his, anti-founding fathers, proposal for a 2nd, gimme ‘dat, ‘Bill of Rights’. I don’t recall noticing it before. I’m failing to imagine a Trump Tweet positively presented within current entertainment. I’m certain all today’s crowd would notice odd about the film was the one number done in blackface. They’d move to ban ‘White’ Christmas for ‘racist’ association.
The American People have been brainwashed into thinking that our Country is not a Sovereign Nation.
They are literally giving it away and if you disagree, you are labeled as an Evil Bigoted person.
I dnn’t see how this will ever change, especially given the state of our Educational System and it’s built in hatred of the Founders of the Republic.
There are only about 30 countries in the world that have birthright citizenship, most of them in the Western Hemisphere. No country in Europe has birthright citizenship. The only developed countries that have it are the US and Canada.
The best way to bring it to a head is to pass a law and of course the open borders crowd will challenge and we can get a ruling.
But the open borders crowd, Repub and Dems, would never let it pass.
Are there any laws on the books supporting birthright citizenship? That law could be challenged.
14th Amendment was to take care of children of slaves...to guarantee that they would be Citizens.
It was never intended to be used by Illegal Immigrants, and should be removed from the Constitution, IMO.
It no longer matters...every slave that had a child was made a Citizen. Done. Abolish it.
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I made that same point a few weeks ago.
The people of any nation have the right to choose who can join their nation. If they do not have the right to control their own citizenry, then they are at risk of invasion from outside.There are two ways to join the nation: be the Posterity of its People, or become naturalized by laws passed by the representatives of the people in Congress.
People who are not citizens of this country who birth children in this country take away the right of the citizens of this country to control who may become it's citizens. It is an invasion from within by foreigners to take over the country without the consent of its native citizens.
-PJ
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When my daughter was born in a civilian hospital in Japan, we were warned we had a time limit to do the paperwork necessary to get her a passport to ensure U.S. Citizenship.
The Japanese hospital would provide us with a birth certificate but no automatic citizenship. Their law, like virtually every other country on earth, considered the child to be the nationality of her parents and deferred to the parents country of origin as to exactly how the citizenship would be transferred.
First, I want to congratulate myself for reading the entire post.
I am familiar with the subject, but I was poorly informed on the details.
Second...
I read up on the subject of “Anchor Babies” a couple months ago.
About 300,000 Anchor Babies are born in the USA each year.
“And subject to the jurisdiction thereof”.
To me that exudes the children of diplomats, tourists, and of course illegal aliens.
The repetition of statements made in the debate over XIV is basically irrelevant to what has to happen now.
There is no Article III court that will rule that what the writers of XIV MEANT to say should govern over what they DID say.
If you can be detained by the executive and brought before the judiciary to enforce laws made by the legislature, and subsequently can lose your property and be involuntarily removed to another country, then in the ordinary English meaning of “jurisdiction of the United States”, you are certainly subject to it.
So (and I have the greatest respect for Michael Anton), this is all mental masturbation.
If the GOAL is to end the foolish practice of birthright citizenship, the Constitution is going to have to be amended. I don’t see how else to get there from here.
Do you think illegal aliens are NOT “subject to the jurisdiction of the United States”?
How then are they arrested and granted judicial process? If they were NOT subject to US jurisdiction, they could simply be removed, but we know this is not the case.
They shouldn’t get hearings either.
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