Posted on 07/21/2018 10:33:56 AM PDT by Navy Patriot
A firearms instructor advised me once that if you’re carrying, you should avoid verbal altercations whenever possible. You sure as hell don’t want to start one, even if you’re in the right, without good reason.
I'll keep that in mind. I can beat the shit out of you and as long as I walk away before you get up you can't do squat to me.
Who are you to say he was "no longer an apparent threat"? If the violence came from nowhere and knocked you to your ass are you going to carefully evaluate if the threat is going to continue or back off?
“OldER”.
NOT “old”. That’s just stupid and ignorant.
I’m just shy of 50 now, but I’ve always had the opinion I’m not going to mess with any 50 year-olds. They are just as strong as any given 30 year old.
Get beyond 60 and you’re approaching that zone of elderly.
Yes.
Unless something has changed, Stand your ground doesn’t itself let you shoot. It lets you not have to flee.
Though he DID say that force was justified. Stand your ground doesn’t change that, does it?
Wife mugged in parking lot in 1993. Pushed to ground and then foot in chest to pull purse away.
Wife suffered hair-line fracture of neck vertebrae. Medical problems happened years later with 2 fusion surgeries after disc degradation. I am saying that push to pavement is bad trauma and you don’t know the extent of injuries. I take the push as life threatening.
That's what you're supposed to do when taking on that kind level of responsibility. Not pushing your weight around and being a traffic or parking lot cop.
That being said, if I were the guy who was pushed to the ground, the second I saw the assault suspect back off, I would not have fired. Not too many people would continue an attack over something as insignificant as a parking lot squabble when you have a gun pointed right at you. And from my perspective, it's very likely that exactly what the assault suspect was thinking and why he started backing off.
Btw, I appreciate your honest response.
Ipso facto, his trigger finger may be in question.
I may agree with you about the guy's spiritual life or personality. It wouldn't surprise me. But that's not evidence that he broke the law in that incident. On the video, we see him shooting off his mouth, which is legal--and no one has claimed he was threatening anyone, as far as I know.
The only judgment we're entitled to make about the busybody's trigger finger can't be gleaned from whether he earned a reputation as a pain in the butt on some other occasion. The video shows an old guy being approached by a woman who is immediately joined by a man, who blind-sides the old guy and sends him crashing onto the cement.
If there's other credible evidence that the busybody was a mortal threat to the hulk or his mistress, that's another story. But I don't see it on what's shown.
When I carry, which is always except when going someplace I can't take my weapon, I choose to be a lot "meeker" and would not have even argued with the guy wanting the parking space I had chosen - I will defend me and mine with extreme prejudice but refuse to add any combustibles to something that doesn't need to escalate into a potentially dangerous/deadly encounter....I refuse to become a "hunter".
I agree, my Navy Veteran friend was shoved to the ground in a similar fashion as White Guy by a hotel burglar escaping his room in Honolulu in 1995. Injuries ended his career in Merchant Marine, and I accompanied him to his last repair surgery in April of this year.
Any fool would know you don't park in a handicap spot unless you're handicapped or you're looking for trouble.
How is that different from his rights under the law of other states?
Once again, this is “stand your ground” terminology being used in place of “self defense”. This is clearly not a SYG case, as the shooter was on the ground and assuming he legitimately defended himself, safe retreat from that position was not really an option.
I assume you mean you believe in self-defense. But it looks like you're right otherwise. The guy was turned away and moving away. It looks like he chose to end the fight when he saw the gun, and then the other guy shot him anyway.
“That being said, if I were the guy who was pushed to the ground, the second I saw the assault suspect back off, I would not have fired.”
I agree. However, I recall reading an article where having video of these situations (well - it was an argument against having police video on all the time) - was that the video doesn’t capture what the shooter was thinking or seeing or experiencing. It may have just been an excuse so the police wouldn’t have to have cameras, but I think that there is something to it.
Having a jury (or us!) be able to watch a video in comfort multiple times - and/or slow it down is pretty unrealistic. It sure seems to me that the pusher was backing off, and just by producing the weapon it got rid of the threat.
But - I’m also not the guy with his head still wobbling from getting knocked on his butt, and who knows what part of the guy he was focusing on - or if he was focused at all?
As I’ve posted before - every action taken by all parties wasn’t the best one imho.
I would still like to hear more about the argument that man was having with the lady. From the looks from other people it was obviously a pretty loud one.
The weenie media and gun grabbers are saying that the man shooting the poor little family man - (BS), should be arrested.
After watching the video, I saw that the large man, who is half the age of the victim that he did not ‘push’ to the ground, but actually threw to the ground the victim and stood over him in a menacing manner. Since no audio was on the tape, we do not know what the man standing over the victim said to the victim on the ground. Did in fact the man threaten the victim verbally?
Justified shoot in my opinion.
Dindu Nuffin physically assaulted the shooter by shoving him to the ground with two hands before even trying to verbally defuse the situation. A very stupid decision.
The witness follows the assault suspect out the door, sees the altercation, pauses at the door, and then immediately starts walking towards the altercation after the white guy was pushed to the ground...That is until the assault victim pulls his gun, then suddenly not only did the assault suspect continue to retreat but the witness immediate stops, reverses his direction and quickly takes off in another direction.
That's why I mentioned earlier, few people would ever continue an assault over something so petty when staring down the barrel of a gun.
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