Posted on 07/13/2018 9:18:41 AM PDT by Red Badger
Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein announced on Friday that 12 Russian intelligence officers was indicted by Special Counsel Robert Mueller in the ongoing Trump-Russia investigation. The officers are members of the GRU, and are all named as having allegedly hacked the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, Democratic National Committee, and the Hillary Clinton campaign. CNN reported that prosecutors from Mueller's office and the Justice Department's National Security Division gave a grand jury indictment to a D.C. federal magistrate judge on Thursday morning. The indictment comes just one day before President Trump is set to meet Russian president Vladimir Putin in Helsinki for their first one-on-one meeting
I think that was propably Roger Stone. Mueller put the thumb screws to him and his staff.
Yeah, that's why these indictments are so ho-hum. Perhaps if Russia starts indicting our intelligence personnel , it might become a little more clear of what was truly going on- spying. The kind that goes on every day.
When are the Dems planning force a rerun of the election? I haven’t read this thread yet so just curious if that’s the whole point? Thus impeachment is shape shifting into illegitimate election so we need a Rerun?
Redo?.....Unconstitutional.
Look for more and more insanity the closer we get to November.
When they lose House seats and Senate seats in November they will go off the rails.................
John Podesta wrote the foreword to the book Ufos...by Leslie Kean (2010). He is an outspoken advocate of declassifying ufo secrets.
I think we should stay on his good side if he has any sway with the evil aliens who clash with the gentle aliens.
Kidding, of course!
Or is that why no indictments about the cattle and abductions. Hands off or we’re in trouble.
“Keep watching the skies”
I really enjoyed the book UFOS in Wartime by Mack Maloney. Evenhanded and factual. Maybe it’s in your public library. Most others are a little silly.
NO. HILLARY DID.
Rosenstein is a pig. The indictment is totally intended as a political hit job. But if you read the indictment, there is absolutely no evidence at all that anyone on the Trump team knowingly collided with anyone from Russia. The contacts were all claiming to be Americans. If the indictment is true, then the collusion investigation must be over and Trump is exonerated.
This is all intended to hurt Trump, but Trump will have the last word. Hopefully when Trey Gowdy is out of Congress Trump will be able to convince him to replace Rip Van Sessions.
Absolutely true, and if we aren't doing the same to monitor what our rivals and enemies in the world are up to, our spies aren't doing their jobs. Further, anyone who doesn't think Obama's administration was trying to get inside information during the Israeli elections is delusional.
Did the Russians SABOTAGE Hilliary’s ‘s campaign?
NO. HILLARY DID!!!!!!..........................................
We are living in a post-Constitutional society. When the Feds, unelected bureaucrats, make rules, regulations, hidden taxes, and have multiple police forces that function as militaries, we are long past our original Constitutional Republic.
I’m becoming convinced Sessions is not on Trump’s side
So all of that coughing was Russian “hacking”?
Step out side of the echo chamber and think about it.
Most people don’t give two rocks about facts. They only care about perception.
Heck, for at lest HALF the population that is the only thing they care about.
Don’t be complacent. Don’t recite dry legal facts. Joe dime bag doesn’t care. He only sees that “RUSSIA MEDDLED WITH ELECTION!!!!”
Trump and the GOP need to address that perception.
It's too early to say, a lot depends on what comes next.
What the two Russian indictments do is "prove" (as much as you can prove anything about spies), that there were organized efforts by "Russia" to target the American election process.
The first indictment was pretty weak. The people and entities were all private citizens, some say with connections to Putin. And the "crime" was making weird troll-like memes. Stuff that happens on 4chan every day (but the 4chan memes are both ruder and funnier). So, kind of a pissant crime. Is that all ya' got, Mueller? Well, no, it turns out that isn't all he's got.
Indictment of Russians #2 (today's event) charges 12 GRU officers (Lt. to full Col.) with hacking the DNC, DCCC, and various campaign officials. It further charges them with creating "Guccifer 2.0" and some other personas, running various Twitter feeds to promote the leaks, setting up and running the "DCleaks" web site, and other stuff.
All of this is explained in detail. It seems extremely unlikely that this is all just made up. For instance the say the exact day that the named software tool was implanted into the computers at the DCCC, what it was used to do, who got spearished on what day, where the stolen files were transmitte to (a hosted computer in America) etc.
I think it's pretty hard to read and still claim that the Russians had nothing to do with hacking Podesta and the DNC. I won't be claiming that. YMMV: but I wonder if you've read it yet? INDICTMENT
We still can't tell what comes next.
We now know, there was indeed a Russian spy caper to get unflattering Hillary campaign emails and dump them into the campaign. The last giant leap remains. To tie the Trump campaign to the Russian GRU work.
If, as I believe and as Trump has always said: that never happened then the Tards are going to be so unhappy. They got pretty close: the Russian plot *is* now established, but it is the Russians, and their's alone.
It really is pretty implausible that Trump was controlling, paying, bribing, or working with GRU in anyway.
Maybe Mueller is wrapping it up. His one great trophy will be Manaforte. He can hold his head high at Georgetown swamp cocktail parties. He sent Trump's campaign manager to jail, and he "proved" via his indictments that the Russians were trying to help Trump get elected .
But Trump serves out his full term and probably wins a second, so the great dream is crushed.
Alternately: he has the proof that Team Trump was working directly with the GRU. In which case it's gonna get sporty in here.
Don’t disagree with that either, but maybe they need to feel some real pain for their antics. After all, if we conservatives want to protect the voting process from voter fraud, we should also go after foreign influence.
“There is no allegation in this indictment that any American citizen committed a crime. Nor is there any mention of an any American even inadvertently helping beyond doing things like selling Cloud accounts or rack-mount server space to Russians (who were frequently posing as non Russians). The indictment paints a picture of a secret Russian Army Intelligence (GRU) hacking operation run out of Moscow. (Addresses are given in the indictment.) There are almost no Americans involved. (Two people got hacked by the Ruskies and had their accounts used Individual #1 (a woman in the DCCC) and Individual #2 in the DNC.
There is no allegation it changed the vote count
Attempts to mess with the counting computers failed.
or effected the 2016 election result.
Well that's a stretch. They aren't alleging it because that's not their job, but the rest of us can speculate about it.
Would Hillary have still lost if the Podesta and DNC email leaks had not happened?
There is no way anyone can say, it's an alternative history - but it certainly would have been helpful
It's kind of nice that we get to revisit this conundrum again thanks to Mueller.
Russia should do us all a favor and just “accidentally” nuke DC.
Just make sure Trump isn’t there.
Yeah. If so, we already knew about that.
The US spent taxpayer money trying to unseat Netanyahu.
There is no allegation of anyone on the Trump team knowingly or unknowingly colluded with Russia in the hacks. Mueller doesn't say jack about Trump. Rosenstein said explicitly "no Americans were involved".
If the indictment is true, then the collusion investigation must be over and Trump is exonerated.
It sure is looking that way. The GRU are professional spies, so they don't go looking for third rate amatures to partner with. As I said above: it it turned out it was some Romanians hacking this, maybe, maybe you could think they were doing it for money and the tried to contact someone like Roger Stone and stupidly someone agreed to have some sort of discussion with them..... but the more it becomes obvious tha the GRU was running the whole operation from Moscow Center then the less likely they used any non-Russians. They didn't need them, they are quite capable of doing this level of hacking with only Rus participants.
What would they have even needed Trump for? It makes no logical sense for the GRU to involve Trump or anyone from his team, given what we now know.
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