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To: Will88
I don't question any of that. My point was establishing a direct correlation between NAFTA and a decline in manufacturing employment in the U.S. I don't think it's easy to make that connection at all. U.S. industrial output is higher today than it has ever been. We just produce a lot of things with fewer workers than we did 50 years ago.

I suspect automation -- not outsourcing -- has been the single biggest factor in declining U.S. manufacturing employment since World War II.

I also think the invention of the shipping container in the 1950s has had a far bigger impact on shifting trade patterns than most people realize.

85 posted on 07/13/2018 4:02:08 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("I saw a werewolf drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's.")
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To: Alberta's Child
My point was establishing a direct correlation between NAFTA and a decline in manufacturing employment in the U.S.

It's very simply. NAFTA significantly reduced or eliminated tariffs on imports from Mexico, making lower production costs in Mexico even lower, and even more attractive for US transnationals to move production and jobs from the US to Mexico.

And all you have to do for further evidence is look at your first post mentioning the small trade surplus the US had with Mexico in 1992 that is now a $60 billion plus deficit. Unless you think Mexico developed vast new, home grown industries that began selling billions in goods to the US, then what is the only other explanation?

The explanation is US transnationals moving production and jobs to Mexico and also some foreign firms setting up in Mexico to produce products primarily for export to the US.

Automation has gradually increased as a factor, but our starting point is 1993 with NAFTA. And we have larger populations and just more demand for goods now, and products that didn't exist a few decades back, so total industrial output doesn't tell us much without taking into account many other factors, nor does total manufacturing employment.

But it's very simple to conclude that many US plants and jobs did move to Mexico after passage of NAFTA. And nothing you are discussing changes that reality. You're trying to tangle that simple fact up with many other factors that have nothing to do with whether US plants and jobs were moved to Mexico.

There have been many ups and downs in US manufacturing employment since NAFTA passed. NAFTA was one of the downs.

87 posted on 07/13/2018 1:37:50 PM PDT by Will88
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