Latino groups intervene in Alabama census lawsuit

The Hill ^ | 07/12/18 | Rafael Bernal

[yesthatjallen]

A coalition of Latino civil rights organizations asked Thursday a judge in Alabama to include them as co-defendants in a lawsuit brought by the state against the federal government, seeking to exclude undocumented immigrants from the 2020 Census.

The groups, led by the Mexican American Legal Defense Fund (MALDEF) and Birmingham civil rights attorneys James U. Blacksher and Edward Still, said they don't trust the Trump administration to mount a defense to Alabama's lawsuit.

“One legal outcome of the Civil War was a Constitution that abandons the previous ‘3/5 rule’ and treats all persons as full ‘persons’; that Alabama, of all states, would challenge that change a century and a half later, is simply sordid,” said Thomas A. Saenz, MALDEF president and general counsel. “Even more contemptible, the current administration cannot be trusted to defend against the sordid lawsuit because the president and other administration officials regularly treat immigrants, in rhetoric and in practice, as less than human.”

At issue are billions of dollars in potential funding for states and the allocation of several congressional seats.The would-be defendants include groups from California, Texas, Florida and Arizona, all states that could lose out on funding and seats if undocumented immigrants were not counted in the Census.

Alabama filed the suit in May, with Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.) as a co-plaintiff, arguing that counting undocumented immigrants would result in the state losing a seat in Congress.

The 14th Amendment of the Constitution mandates congressional apportionment to count "the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed," wording that MALDEF's lawyers argue includes undocumented immigrants.

The decennial census counts all persons in the United States, whether citizens or not, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.

Alabama's lawsuit has added controversy to an already-fraught census, as the Commerce Department -- the agency that oversees the Census -- added a citizenship question to the 2020 questionnaire.

Historically, the Census has undercounted minority and underserved communities for a plurality of reasons, including lack of willingness to participate.

Opponents of the citizenship question argue that some people will be deterred from taking the census if it means answering questions related to immigration status.

In their memorandum to the court, the groups seeking to join the lawsuit said the citizenship question would diminish Hispanic representation, while proving a logistical challenge to the Census Bureau.

“Even putting aside for the moment the logistical nightmare that the Census Bureau would experience if it tried to collect immigration status information about residents, information that it has never before collected, any such attempt would likely cause higher non-response rates and a disparate undercount in Latino and other population groups with higher numbers of immigrants than the population as a whole,” reads the memorandum.

[Tennessee Nana]

Oh and plus my new Zealand passport became null and void from that moment on...I could not have used it to leave he country...for the next 30 days until the naturalization ceremony I was without a country but covered legally by my Alien Registration Card...AKA green card...

BTW that card is so important that the number on it is also annotated at the top right hand corner of my naturalization document...

“Alien Registration No. XXXXXX”

Note: At that ceremony I had to surrender my green card to the immigration authorities...

[hanamizu]

If I recall correctly, after previous censuses, the census bureau issued estimates of the numbers of people who were not counted.

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Yes and the Democrats wanted to use those estimates instead of the actual count to determine representation, because, you know, estimates are always more accurate that actual counts, just like polls are more accurate the actual vote.

[Mastador1]

My parents did also, and as long as I can remember my dad would tell me whenever we talked about it that on the day he became an American Citizen, that's all he was not a Hungarian. Although he never stopped being proud of his heritage, it's just not who he was anymore.

I just don't see that with the majority of immigrants, legal or otherwise anymore, from what I see they want the benefits of being an American without actually being an American........if you know what I mean.

[Dilbert San Diego]

LOL.

Yep that’s a talking point, that in previous counts, the Democrats just knew that people were missed.

Reminds me, somebody told me recently, how the vote count in 2016 showed Hillary far ahead in the exit polls estimates. And she said, sounds like the GOP tampered with the vote count.

Democrats think exit polls are more accurate in an election than the actual vote.count.

They made a similar complaint in 2004 with John Kerry allegedly being so far ahead in the exit polls, that it was a shock to them when actual votes were counted.

[shanover]

At issue are billions of dollars in potential funding for states and the allocation of several congressional seats.

Yup, the REAL issue is money and power. If they win, the USA is dead.