America's Junk Weapons

American Thinker ^ | July 8, 2018 | J R Dunn

[marktwain]

I thought this would be about the Iver Johnson Target Sealed 8. A true junk weapon.

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What do you dislike about the Iver Johnson? The Sealed 8 has long been out of production, but it had a pretty good reputation.

At about 1/6 the price of a S&W .22 revolver, they were accurate and reliable.

Sure, they are slower to reload, and did not have the finish of the S&W, put they worked well. A pull pin revolver tends to be very reliable, and much cheaper to produce.

[BBell]

Ideology over economics.

[Lurkina.n.Learnin]

Dad had one. Lead splatter. Was unsafe to stand beside anybody.

[OldMissileer]

Can the F-22 be put back in production?

Only at a horrendous cost. The political cancellation of that weapon system also included the order to destroy all jigs, molds, and other manufacturing items that were specific to the production of the aircraft.

A lot of people denigrate the B-1B as it does have its own issues, but only 100 were allowed to be built and the first off the line were sort of unique unto themselves. All the tools and items required to make the B-1B were also ordered destroyed and if the Air Force was allowed to make more they would have been standardized and normal life-cycle would have been developed that would have made it a totally fantastic aircraft.

[marktwain]

They first came out in 1932.

I was wrong to call it a pull-pin, it is a top break.

Revolvers tend to wear with lots of use, they get out of time.

Any idea how old your father’s Sealed 8 was?

[Lurkina.n.Learnin]

Not a clue but when I shot it was the 60’s and it was worried out then so I’d guess it was an early one.

[Lurkina.n.Learnin]

Wore not worried. Damn autocorrect.

[Menehune56]

After many years spent as an aerospace engineer, this was a really interesting article. I had to keep doing side searches to get back up to speed. One tactic used this day to cancel programs goes like this:

Program cost is too high
Cut production quantity to reduce program cost
Unit cost is too high
Buy more units to reduce unit cost
Program cost is too high
Cancel program

[marktwain]

Got ahead of myself!

Iver Johnson made both top-break and pull-pin versions of sealed 8 revolvers.

[Lurkina.n.Learnin]

This one was pull pin.

[Redleg Duke]

Willis won the completion, but McNamara ordered acquisition of the Ford entry, which had four-wheel independent suspension which would instantaneously fold under inturns, flipping the vehicle.

Very dangerous and weak vehicle. Like the Bell entry, which was bested by the Hughes scout helicopter (Loach), but had Lady Bird Johnson as a major share owner, got the contract which was the OH-58 piece of shit.

Democrats wrote the book on corruption!

[bravo whiskey]

the Messerschmidt Me-262 and the Arado-234 – too late to go into combat. While never a serious threat, the Me-262 did see combat. Chuck Yeager, first pilot to exceed the speed of sound, was a P-51 pilot in WWII, and was the first American to shoot one down

as did the AR-234 against the Ludendorf Bridge at Remagan. in germany in '75 we heard our M60A1s w/105mm were inferior to shorter T-62s w/115mm gun. while true on size and gun we could depress the gun further and thus make better use of terrain for hide positions. we also carried more ammo with a better fire cotrol system.

[ASA Vet]

B-58 Hustler. Awesome jet but but not too practical.

If the objective is scaring the crap out of a 14 year old deer hunter in the Dead Stream Swamp, Missaukee County, Michigan it worked just fine.

[rlmorel]

"...Ideology over economics..."

Yes, you are correct...and often, ideology over national security.

[BBell]

I take it you were on the receiving end of one of it’s more infamous attributes.

[BBell]

Ideology trumps all.

[ASA Vet]

Well, I can attest to how disconcerting is a tree top sonic boom directly overhead can be. Then to add insult all the snow in the pine trees came down at once. I couldn't hear, I couldn't see anything except white.

I knew what it was, because I was a jet plane geek so recognized the delta shape for the millisecond before my world shook.

Seems to me poor planning to do a simulated run over a National Forest during deer hunting season. I assume mine was from Grissom AFB in Indiana, as they were only a few hundred miles south.

[BBell]

Sounds like you had a simulated nuclear attack followed by a simulated nuclear winter. The pilot was probably from New York city. What do those city boys know about deer hunting anyway.

The hustler was not designed for low level ops which is what shortened it's service life. An awesome jet, I think a record or two that it set are still standing.

[rlmorel]

Trump trumps all ideology...:)