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Michigan judge rules kids don't have a fundamental right to literacy
MSN ^ | 7/02/18 | Aris Folley

Posted on 07/03/2018 2:30:34 AM PDT by Libloather

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To: wbarmy
So, judges have ruled that the police do not have to protect you and that teachers do not have to teach you, even though we pay them to do those very jobs, including the judges.

You can buy a gun and homeschool.

Fire the police and shutdown the government schools. They may do some good. But it would be better ultimately, if people resumed these basic responsibilities.

Yeah, it's radical. And many won't see a way for this to succeed, but they are lacking in the creativity that freedom affords.

41 posted on 07/03/2018 4:42:53 AM PDT by nonsporting
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To: Libloather

So—That means we can get rid of public schools and the Department of Education?


42 posted on 07/03/2018 4:45:32 AM PDT by Arm_Bears (Hey, Rocky--Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat!)
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To: Beagle8U

As Usual MSM misrepresenting the truth. They tried to sue the Governor for the poor performance of the Detroit school system. Yet if the Governor gets involved they scream because “the GOP Governor is trying to take over the School System”. See how that works.


43 posted on 07/03/2018 4:51:42 AM PDT by gibsonguy
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To: kearnyirish2
...and the Founding Fathers never mentioned “literacy” or “education” as a right.

Because our Founding Fathers knew, better than the 2018 Americans, that the those things (and many more) were NOT the government's job to acquire nor protect!

You want an education, go get one! You want a job, go get one! All of these things were NOT covered because it was never the intent of the Constitution to be our daily life guide; it was a document to keep the Government in check and OUT of our daily lives!!
44 posted on 07/03/2018 4:52:01 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (Diversity is tolerance; diverse points of views will not be tolerated!)
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To: Tax-chick
<>"...get the government out of the schooling business entirely"<>

Sell the physical plants and equipment, fire the teachers, dismantle the bureaucracy and remove a major funding source and propaganda tool for the "Ratz!

Wonderful idea TC.

45 posted on 07/03/2018 4:56:35 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Idiocracy is Prophecy!)
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To: Libloather
Public Counsel, the nation's largest public interest law firm

IOW, a gaggle of lawyers that goes around looking for poor people outraged (or outragable) by something so they (the gaggle) can collect huge fees from taxpayers.

ML/NJ

46 posted on 07/03/2018 4:58:09 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Ikeon

You can send Johnny to school, but you can’t make him think


47 posted on 07/03/2018 5:01:13 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... In August our cities will be burning))
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To: Libloather
"Public Counsel, the nation's largest public interest law firm."

Wow...talk about a waste oxygen...

48 posted on 07/03/2018 5:03:20 AM PDT by unread (Joe McCarthy was right.......)
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To: Libloather

Sheff v. O’Neill

Another boondoggle; another waste of taxpayers money


49 posted on 07/03/2018 5:06:52 AM PDT by Daffynition (Rudy: What are you up to today? :))
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To: Libloather

That was common sense.
Kids don’t have a ‘right to literacy.’ They have an obligation to be literate - and if they fail in that obligation they should not be allowed to vote or hold office.


50 posted on 07/03/2018 5:14:57 AM PDT by Little Ray (Freedom Before Security!)
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To: Vermont Lt

Yes slaves were prevented from reading and writing.

However, in schools today the blacks attack their own people who excel in academics and hope for college. They tell them you are trying to be like the white man. They call them Uncle Tom’s, sell outs, etc. I find this so hypocritical. One minute they scream white privilege and in next breath berate their own people for getting an education.


51 posted on 07/03/2018 5:17:26 AM PDT by Engedi (The)
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To: shalom aleichem

I am reminded of the true story told of the gentleman who had been a California math teacher for a decade, and came to admit one day to his wife....he couldn’t read.

He reached some level in elementary school where they just passed you. In high school, he excelled at baseball, and was offered a scholarship. College never tested him or asked any questions. He did exceptionally well at math, and cheated enough on regular classes to pass.....getting a degree in four years. Then he amazed himself....he got a job as a math teacher. No trouble with numbers. Students learned via his method. After he married, he eventually came to admit his issue with the wife, and she got him into a night-time class. Back in the late 1990s, he wrote his life-story.


52 posted on 07/03/2018 5:19:41 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Aevery_Freeman

Thank you. I can’t claim to have originated it.

The “justification” for compulsory school attendance was that this was both necessary and sufficient for producing an adequately educated citizenry. Since it is now clear that school attendance is neither necessary nor sufficient for this purpose, the entire system should be junked, and let the chips fall where they may.

Let them try to sell a “government daycare and Democrat shill employment program” to the voters. If some people buy it, let them, ONLY, pay for it.


53 posted on 07/03/2018 5:26:08 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Fill in my standard rant.)
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To: wbarmy

That’s different from a “right”. No, people do not have a right to safety any more than they have a “right” to reading and writing. However, when a society compiles its resources to pay people to protect our lives, families and property, when a society pays people to teach children to read and write, their failure to do so is fraud. Either they do not know how and fraudulently acquired those paid positions, or they are deliberately failing to do what they are being paid for. It’s still wrong and illegal. The lawyers were simply among those unfortunate enough to not be able to read and write well or think critically.


54 posted on 07/03/2018 5:27:12 AM PDT by gspurlock (http://www.backyardfence.wordpress.com)
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To: wbarmy

I don’t think the suit was that teachers weren’t teaching but more the kids weren’t doing their part and learning. Literacy is not a right, it’s a duty.


55 posted on 07/03/2018 5:27:22 AM PDT by cyclotic ( WeÂ’re the first ones taxed, the last ones considered and the first ones punished)
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To: Libloather

Dear kids, pick up a book and READ it!


56 posted on 07/03/2018 5:30:24 AM PDT by Freeport (The proper application of high explosives will remove all obstacles.)
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To: Libloather

https://www.mied.uscourts.gov/index.cfm?pageFunction=chambers&judgeid=31

Stephen J. Murphy, III, joined the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Michigan after presidential appointment and confirmation by the United States Senate on June 24, 2008. He assumed the bench on August 18, 2008.

Previously, Judge Murphy served as the presidentially appointed United States Attorney for the Eastern District of Michigan after he was confirmed by unanimous consent of the United States Senate on June 8, 2005. Prior to confirmation, Judge Murphy had taken the oath of office and served continuously as United States Attorney from March 8, 2005 until his appointment as a district judge.

As United States Attorney, Judge Murphy oversaw one of the largest and busiest United States Attorney’s offices in America, with operations in Detroit, Flint and Bay City, more than 100 Assistant United States Attorneys and a similar number of support staff.

Prior to his service as United States Attorney, Judge Murphy was an attorney with the General Motors Legal Staff in Detroit, where he specialized in litigation, internal investigations, counseling on various business law issues and other “white collar” matters. He served during that period as a public arbitrator for the National Association of Securities Dealers.

Judge Murphy also served with the United States Department of Justice for more than twelve years: first as a trial attorney with the Civil and Tax Divisions in Washington, D.C. (hired under the prestigious Attorney General’s Honors Program), in which positions he defended various federal agencies and prosecuted criminal tax cases in federal district courts throughout the United States. Then, as an Assistant United States Attorney in Detroit from 1992-2000, Judge Murphy prosecuted and tried various violent, narcotics and several high profile white-collar criminal cases in Detroit’s Federal Court.

A 1987 graduate of the St. Louis University School of Law (where he edited the law review), Judge Murphy has also been active in legal and community affairs. He has served on the boards of the Hospice of Michigan, Brighton Hospital, and the Historical Society of the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Michigan. He was also appointed by his Court to serve as a member of the State Bar of Michigan’s Standing Committee on United States Courts. He is presently a member of the Advisory Committee on Appellate Rules of Judicial Conference of the United States.

Judge Murphy is also an experienced appellate lawyer who, while in private practice, handled indigent criminal appointments in the United States Court of Appeals. He is a published legal author and he has served as an adjunct professor at the Ave Maria, Thomas M. Cooley, University of Detroit Mercy, and University of Toledo schools of law, where he has taught Business/White Collar Crimes, Evidence, Tax Fraud and Trial Practice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Murphy_III

On March 9, 2005, Murphy began serving as the United States Attorney in Detroit, Michigan, pending full Senate confirmation. He was unanimously confirmed by the Senate on June 8, 2005. He was preceded by Jeffery Collins. During his term, Murphy worked to create innovative programs regarding national security and child protection issues. He also strove to strengthen the US Attorney’s ties with federal and local law enforcement and with the community at large. Overseeing operations in Detroit, Flint, and Bay City, Murphy led one of the largest and busiest US Attorney’s offices in the country. During this time, Murphy also chaired the local U.S. Attorney General’s Anti-Terrorism Advisory Committee and the Michigan High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area (“HIDTA”) group. On June 28, 2006, President George W. Bush nominated Murphy and Raymond Kethledge to fill two vacancies on the United States Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit. Murphy was to occupy a seat made vacant by the death of Judge Susan Bieke Neilson. At the time of the nomination, Republicans maintained a majority of seats in the Senate. However, following the 2006 midterm election, nominations stalled.

PC: Robin Buckson, The Detroit News
In an attempt to end the partisan gridlock, on April 15, 2008, President Bush renominated Kethledge and failed Clinton nominee Helene White to the Sixth Circuit, and Murphy was nominated to the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Michigan to replace Judge Patrick Duggan, a vacancy that had remained unfilled since 2000.


57 posted on 07/03/2018 5:30:51 AM PDT by ATOMIC_PUNK (INVICTA PRO DIVER AUTOMATIC ~ Yup best watch on the planet !)
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To: Libloather

No more a right than the right to sports training, job training or home economics training.

Were it a right, teachers would have to held accountable for all outcomes.

There have been a great many illiterate people who’ve succeeded well in this world and achieved life, liberty and happiness just fine. My (legal) immigrant grandmother was one.


58 posted on 07/03/2018 5:31:44 AM PDT by polymuser (Its terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged today. - Chesterto)
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To: Tax-chick

-—Since it is now clear that school attendance is neither necessary nor sufficient for this purpose-—

I would ague that is not a true statement. The fact that some parents are capable and determined and have the disipline to home school does not mean that all can or will.

Further absent the compulsion many would chose to quit or nor atend or lay out. Some parentw would just not care.

Although in some locations a highschool diploma is a worthless paper actually signifying nothing, it is an actual benchmark for employers evaluating potential workers.


59 posted on 07/03/2018 5:32:15 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... In August our cities will be burning))
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To: Libloather

Well, that lets the NEA and AFT off the hook.


60 posted on 07/03/2018 5:33:52 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (The Democrats in California want another civil war over cheap labor!)
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