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Pentagon Admits Afghanistan's New Black Hawks Can't Match Its Older Russian Choppers
The Drive ^ | JUNE 15, 2018 | JOSEPH TREVITHICK

Posted on 06/18/2018 6:17:05 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki

A report from a top U.S. military watchdog has finally acknowledged that the UH-60A+ Black Hawks that the United States is supplying to the Afghan Air Force are less capable and harder to maintain than the Russian-made Mi-17 Hip helicopters they have now. The review raises concerns that this could limit Afghanistan’s ability to conduct operations across the country unless steps are taking to mitigate the loss of capability, something we at The War Zone have long warned could easily be the case.

The Pentagon’s own Office of the Inspector General included these frank admissions in a routine, periodic update on U.S. military operations in Afghanistan, nicknamed Operation Freedom’s Sentinel, and assistance to the Afghan National Defense and Security Forces (ANDSF), which it released in May 2018. The Department of Defense leads this oversight effort, which also includes representatives from the U.S. State Department and U.S. Agency for International Development.

AS FIRST UH-60S ARRIVE, US PLAN TO DUMP AFGHAN MI-17S IS STILL PROBLEMATIC By Joseph Trevithick Posted in THE WAR ZONE PENTAGON WATCHDOG SLAMS U.S.-BACKED EFFORTS TO EXPAND THE AFGHAN AIR FORCE By Joseph Trevithick Posted in THE WAR ZONE THE US PLAN TO GIVE AFGHANISTAN A FLEET OF BLACK HAWKS IS DEEPLY FLAWED By Joseph Trevithick Posted in THE WAR ZONE AFGHANISTAN IS GETTING MORE ILL-SUITED ATTACK CHOPPERS IT MAY NOT EVEN BE ABLE TO FLY By Joseph Trevithick Posted in THE WAR ZONE SCARY VIDEO OF HELICOPTER CRASH THAT KILLED TOP AFGHAN GENERAL EMERGES By Tyler Rogoway Posted in THE WAR ZONE “The transition [from Mi-17s to UH-60s] presents several challenges that have yet to be fully addressed,” the report says in a section dedicated to the issue. “Black Hawks do not have the lift capacity of Mi-17s.”

“They are unable to accommodate some of the larger cargo items the Mi-17s can carry, and in general, it takes almost two Black Hawks to carry the load of a single Mi-17,” the review continues. “Furthermore, unlike Mi-17s, Black Hawks cannot fly at high elevations and, as such, cannot operate in remote regions of Afghanistan where Mi-17s operate.”

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An Afghan Air Force Mi-17 helicopter.

These are relatively damning statements to come out of the Pentagon itself, given that it has pushed for and continually defended the delivery of the Black Hawks to the Afghan Air Force as essential to both the effort to modernize that service and a broader goal of improving the Afghan military’s ability to conduct operations independently of the NATO-led coalition in the country. The U.S. military eventually hopes to supply a total of nearly 160 UH-60s, including gunship versions with forward-firing weapons, to both the Afghan Air Force and the special operations-dedicated Special Mission Wing (SMW).

As of December 2017, the Afghan Air Force had eight UH-60A+ helicopters. The plan is for the service to have 52 of the rotary wing aircraft operational by the end of 2019. The A+ model aircraft have the same engines as the later UH-60L, as well as other minor modifications, but lack the latest updates available on U.S. Army types, such as digital flight management systems.

But even so, the Black Hawks are significantly more complex than the Mi-17s, which raises additional maintenance and logistics issues. Afghan ground crews are responsible for 80 percent of the maintenance on the Hips themselves, with the remaining 20 percent being heavy depot maintenance they do not have the facilities to perform in-country. Private contractors provide the bulk of the support, at significant additional cost, for the other aircraft types across the Afghan Air Force and SMW.

“The Mi-17 is ‘much more conducive to the education level available in the general Afghan population than the UH-60As’ when it comes to maintenance,” the 9th Air Expeditionary Task Force-Afghanistan (AETF-A), the U.S. Air Force’s top command for operations in Afghanistan, which also oversees advising the Afghan Air Force, said, according to the Pentagon Inspector General’s review. “The expectation is that the AAF will be almost entirely reliant on contractors for Black Hawk maintenance in the near- to mid-term.”

And with Mi-17s still being the workhorse of the Afghan Air Force, the U.S. military has faced additional challenges in maintaining that capability while at the same time trying to work toward phasing it out. This has been most pronounced with regards to transitioning qualified pilots and other aircrews to operate Black Hawks.

“Even though the Mi-17 is being phased out, 9th AETF-A said the new pilots are needed to replace Mi-17 pilots who migrate to Black Hawks,” the Inspector General report notes. “This raises concerns about the efficiency of training Afghan pilots to fly an airframe that is being phased out, rather than putting new trainees directly into the Black Hawk pipeline.”

The same goes for training ground crews to maintain the Russian-made helicopters. The Afghan Air Force sorely needs those personnel to support existing operations.

The U.S. military has sought to downplay these issues. In a statement to Bloomberg, U.S. Army Army Lieutenant Colonel Kone Faulkner, a Pentagon spokesperson, said that the UH-60s would be able to perform 90 percent of the missions that the Afghan Mi-17s do at present, but did not offer any specifics.

It is difficult to imagine how this could be an entirely accurate appraisal of the situation. Though the UH-60 may have the necessary performance to conduct individual missions, those helicopters simply will not be as flexible and rapidly able to move around Afghanistan’s mountainous terrain as the Mi-17s.

Members of the U.S. Air Force recently noted publicly in a video seen below that switching from HH-60G Pave Hawk rescue helicopters, a variant of the Black Hawk, to the Army’s larger and more powerful CH-47 Chinooks allowed them to fly straight over certain mountains instead of having to go around them. Those same individuals also raised the issue of the smaller helicopters limited payload capacity, especially in the hot-and-high environment in the country. This has been an issue for other types of helicopters the Afghan Air Force operates, as well.

“In many cases the UH-60 is as, or more, capable than the Mi-17,” Faulkner insisted to Bloomberg. One version “provides more firepower than the Mi-17 variant, which is limited to rockets only and is less maneuverable,” he noted.

This is not entirely accurate. The Hips can and do carry forward-firing 23mm gun pods in addition to unguided rockets. They also have additional machine guns mounted at the forward doors to the main cabin. Regardless, between June and November 2017, helicopters with these weapons conducted nearly 20 percent of all Afghan Air Force air-to-ground fire support missions.

And neither the Pentagon’s Inspector General’s report nor Faulkner even touched on why any of this is an issue to begin with. For years, members of Congress had increasingly questioned why the U.S. military was buying Russian-made helicopters instead of offering an American-built platform, an issue that only became more significant after Russia illegally annexed Ukraine's Crimea and ended up under significant U.S. sanctions.

Now unable to buy new Hips straight from the manufacturer, the U.S. military has already experienced significant difficulties keeping both the existing Mi-17s going and delivering the new UH-60s, which has required some almost bizarre bureaucratic shuffling. It’s also important to note that the Afghan Air Force has had a long-standing requirement for a total fleet of more than 50 Hips, but it has never been able to reach that target.

As of December 2017, the Afghan Air Force had 47 Mi-17s in inventory, but 24 of them were non-mission capable due to maintenance issues. In May 2018, Afghan forces blew up one of these helicopters on the ground after a reported “hard landing” apparently totaled the aircraft, further reducing the available fleet.

In one attempt to quickly make up for these shortfalls, which continue amid a worrisome surge in Taliban and other insurgent activity since 2017, the U.S. military actually transferred two Mi-17s to the Afghan Air Force from U.S. Army’s own Company C, 1st Battalion, 223rd Aviation Regiment at Fort Rucker in Alabama. This unit runs a so-called “Non-Standard Rotary Wing” training program that employs these Russian-built helicopters.

At the same time, the U.S. military has been rapidly acquiring the necessary UH-60s by functionally buying them from itself and then making arrangements to send them to Afghanistan. These aircraft have come by way of the Army-run Blackhawk Exchange and Sales Team, or BEST, which works to exchange retired UH-60s of various types with other federal agencies or sell them to allies, partners, and private companies.

In effect, the Army “sold” the helicopters to the U.S. military’s Combined Security Transition Command-Afghanistan (CSTC-A), which “purchased” them using funds Congress has set aside in the Pentagon’s budget to support Afghanistan’s military. In February 2018, the Pentagon asked legislators to allow them to use the money they had “gained” in this transaction to buy new UH-60M helicopters for the Army itself. The reality of what occurred is closer to moving the funding from one line in a spreadsheet to another and handing over dozens of helicopters to the Afghans essentially for free.

Together with the U.S. military’s Inspector General’s review, this can only raise questions about the efficacy and oversight of the overall efforts to modernize the Afghan Air Force. It also prompts concerns about whether or not Afghanistan’s military will suffer a significant loss in capability in the near- or even mid-term, which will require the United States and its partners to remain in the country longer or even take a newly active role in the conflict.

Of course, none of this is necessarily new or surprising. As noted, I myself had warned about exactly these issues, writing in September 2017:

It’s hard to imagine the Afghan UH-60 fleet will be able to match that level of independent operation any time soon and the transition could throw the relative stability of the “advanced” Mi-17 program into disarray. Captain Salvin told Military Times that the U.S. military plans to provide training more than 60 future UH-60 pilots in both Afghanistan and the United States, starting between October and November.

But it’s not at all clear where these aviators would come from and Salvin suggested this would be separate for transition training for existing Hip crews. As of July 2017, the Afghan Air Force had 82 Hip pilots in total, including 39 co-pilots and 11 instructors, according to a quarterly report from the Special Inspector General for Afghanistan Reconstruction (SIGAR), a top U.S. government watchdog.

If the U.S. military plans to pull a significant number of Mi-17 pilots and crews off the line for these training courses, it will have to fill in the obvious and immediate gap with American aircraft or contractors, or otherwise accept that the Afghan military will have a significant shortfall in air mobility capability. SIGAR said in its July 2017 quarterly report that the Hips had flown 50 percent of all Afghan Air Force missions in the preceding four months despite reportedly having the lowest operational readiness rate of any of the service’s airframes. American officials blamed the low availability on the age of the aircraft, but it seems very likely that this heavy utilization was a significant factor, as well.

There’s also no indication of how long the training programs will last and how long it will be before the Afghans can routinely conduct missions and necessary repairs independent of coalition advisers and contractor support with the UH-60. We do know that it took years for both the Afghan military and police to reach their existing proficiency with the Mi-17, despite it being a significantly simpler aircraft and there being an existing Soviet-trained experience base.

I reiterated many of these points when additional information first emerged in December 2017 that suggested these issues were already cropping up. Now it seems all but certain that these factors will have at least some impact on Afghan operations in the coming months. None of this can come as a shock to the U.S. military, either, which saw the release of another scathing Inspector General review of the Afghan Air Force as a whole in January 2018.

Perhaps thankfully, Afghanistan’s President Ashraf Ghani has recently implemented a unilateral eight-day ceasefire, which began on June 12, 2018. This includes the Eid al-Fitr holiday, which marks the end of the Islamic holy month of Ramadan, on June 15, 2018. The Taliban responded with its own first-ever ceasefire declaration as a goodwill gesture.

This will give the Afghan military at least something of a respite from what has already been a bloody year of fighting. Unfortunately, it won’t be anywhere near enough time for the Afghan Air Force to sort out its helicopter difficulties, which, based on what we know now, could easily continue for years to come.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; blackhawk; mi17; pentagon

1 posted on 06/18/2018 6:17:05 AM PDT by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Giving 20th Century weapons of war to members of a violent 7th Century Mohammedan death cult is not smart.


2 posted on 06/18/2018 6:25:32 AM PDT by nickedknack
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I only could read a few paragraphs before suspecting Russian propaganda. Any veterans have a view on Blackhawk vs. Mi-17 Hip?


3 posted on 06/18/2018 6:34:58 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (what a mess we got ourselves into)
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To: FreeAtlanta
Black Hawk is a better all-around aircraft - altitude is a known issue, but a trade-off.
Chinooks are normally used for higher elevations anyway (Marine Corps 53's can't reach altitude, either, and nobody in their right mind would rather have a Russian heavy-lift).
US is hands-down the best at logistics (have been since the Civil War), and that is the real driver - getting parts where you need them, when you need them.
4 posted on 06/18/2018 6:43:35 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("I will now proceed to entangle the entire area".)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The solution is clear:

1) Return the UH-60s to the US inventory.
2) Buy surplus MI-17s on the open market.
3) Deliver those MI-17s to Afghanistan.


5 posted on 06/18/2018 6:56:08 AM PDT by Darteaus94025 (Can't have a Liberal without a Lie)
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To: Psalm 73

Thanks. The article almost seemed like an advertisement for Russian equipment.


6 posted on 06/18/2018 6:57:10 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (what a mess we got ourselves into)
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To: FreeAtlanta
"Thanks. The article almost seemed like an advertisement for Russian equipment."

A lot of Russian design philosophy is based on the old KISS principle: keep it simple, stupid.

When Russian makes good stuff it's because it excels at being rugged, and simple to maintain. It's not going to have Star Wars avionics and fire control. But then again when fighting goat humpers, do you need Buck Rogers?

And considering goat humpers are doing the maintenance, KISS is a good way to go. I wouldn't be surprised if the US product also comes with American maintenance contractors, with taxpayers picking up the tab.

And seriously, if your helicopters can't do altitude in Afghanistan, you are already in trouble.
 

7 posted on 06/18/2018 7:45:37 AM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (MAGA in the mornin', MAGA in the evenin', MAGA at suppertime . . .)
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To: Darteaus94025

Bingo!


8 posted on 06/18/2018 7:46:47 AM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (MAGA in the mornin', MAGA in the evenin', MAGA at suppertime . . .)
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To: FreeAtlanta

I was hearing the same arguments, personally, from military folks BEFORE the decision to supply the Black Hawks was made. They are a superior helicopter, but context - the country and its workforce, says that what works BEST is not always what is superior, from a technical point of view.

I remember reading how in WWII sometimes our soldiers tossed out parts of what was supplied because in the heat of battle they did not help.


9 posted on 06/18/2018 7:54:51 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: nickedknack; sukhoi-30mki

All arms sent to Islamic countries will eventually be turned on those who sent them.


10 posted on 06/18/2018 8:02:17 AM PDT by Architect of Avalon
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To: sukhoi-30mki
I always thought the Hind was an awesome looking machine.


11 posted on 06/18/2018 8:02:24 AM PDT by Bobalu (12 diet Cokes and a fried chicken...)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

It has been said that Russian is a great language for paranoids. If you are paranoid, you don’t care much for creature comforts, or bells and whistles. You want weapons that are rugged, reliable, and that can be produced in large quantities. Add in the fact that the Russian military is largely made up of poorly educated conscripts and the KISS principle becomes not just desirable but essential.


12 posted on 06/18/2018 8:15:13 AM PDT by nuke_road_warrior (Making the world safe for nuclear power for over 20 years)
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To: nuke_road_warrior

The “KISS” principles are what the Russians use because it works for them.

During WWII the Germans had better tanks...but the Germans had fewer NUMBERS by about 3-4 to 1. The Russians produced more quantities and lesser quality. The casualties of Russian v Germans makes the point that they will tolerate casualties in order to win.

The AK-47 sucks in comparison to the M-16, it’s less accurate in auto and semi auto with a bullet that can reach out and touch someone accurately.... but that AK can be thrown in a swamp and because most of their conscripts don’t care or don’t know gun maintenance the gas operation of the AK makes the M-16 look like a Ferrari racing a old Ford truck with mud tires. One is better but not necessarily...better.

Cheap parts that can be stamped out by the millions and millions of spare parts all over the world make the cheap, crappy AK-47 a good weapon.

I think that everything in war has a place. Sometimes I’d rather have a shotgun than a rifle...sometimes a shovel or K-bar instead of another type of weapon due to the situation. Sometimes a radio is the deadliest weapon a man can have in a firefight.

I think this is just a way of stirring up trouble and doubt into our armed forces and typical of propaganda. I’d ask any man currently in FOB what they’d rather take a hop in....that would be like asking cops where the best coffee and donuts are...they know, because they are in the mix.


13 posted on 06/18/2018 10:48:05 AM PDT by Dick Vomer (2 Timothy 4:7 deo duce ferro comitante)
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To: Dick Vomer
Sometimes a radio is the deadliest weapon a man can have in a firefight.

You forgot the single most dangerous weapon to the continued good health of a platoon of soldiers ...

...a compass in the hands of a Second Lieutenant.

14 posted on 06/18/2018 10:56:06 AM PDT by BlueLancer (Come Hell or High Water - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQNUp9rgjNs&feature=youtu.be)
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To: BlueLancer

that’s funny..


15 posted on 06/18/2018 4:13:38 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (2 Timothy 4:7 deo duce ferro comitante)
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