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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies; rlmorel

Manafort being put in jail has nothing to do with Ted Cruz.

Your Cruz Derangement Syndrome is showing.

Some people just can’t let it go. Seek professional help. Stop crapping all over FR threads with your Cruz madness.

It is a crying shame that this forum lost thousands of valuable contributors primarily due to this very issue. It was impossible for the forum monitors to police all of the heated arguments between Cruz supporters and Trump supporters during the primaries. And there was certainly fault from both groups, and people from both groups got suspended over heated posts. Unfortunately many of these members never returned.

And it is people like you who just will not stop posting this crap that is the problem.

I will remind you that the owner of this forum was at one time a supporter of Ted Cruz. I imagine he probably still supports him as a senator.

Further, even Donald Trump, at one point, suggested he might consider Cruz for his Vice Presidential pick. Proud Cruz scoffed at this and blew his one and only shot at the white house.

There is a difference between simply stating history, like why Manafort was hired, versus posting and rehashing all the nastiness of the Republican primary. Trump nicknamed Cruz as “Lyin’ Ted” as part of an aggressive primary strategy. He does NOT call him that NOW. Ted Cruz is one of the few solidly conservative senators we have. And it is way, way, way past time to bury the hatchet and move on.

But if you can’t, then be prepared for further responses from conservatives like me who are sick and tired of it.

There are thousands, if not millions, of Cruz supporters TODAY who want to continue to see him succeed as a conservative senator from Texas. We picked him to replace left-leaning Kay Bailey Hutchison when the GOPe wanted an establishment Republican. He was our Tea Party candidate. We fought hard to get him in. And we are not going to kick him to the curb over the primary issues.

And one last point. Hillary said that there could have been one worse Republican presidential candidate: Ted Cruz. And that’s because he was the only candidate more ideologically opposed to liberalism. (Of course if she could have it to do over, she would have loved to go up against Cruz because they probably would have steamrolled him. But that’s another matter.)

We’re all glad around here that Trump won the primary and the presidency. Most of us are glad that Ted Cruz is still a senator and has not been replaced by some milquetoast facsimile of a conservative. We’ve got more of those than we can handle.

Now, don’t be worse than a sore loser by being a sore winner, and let it go.


82 posted on 06/15/2018 5:41:10 PM PDT by unlearner (A war is coming.)
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To: unlearner

Manafort being put in jail has very much to do with the campaign strategy of Ted Cruz.

Cruz was claiming wins and then taking delegates repeatedly in states that he lost. He was going to cost Trump the nomination.

1. Had Cruz accepted his 2nd, 3rd, and 4th place losses in multiple states he would not have attempted to steal Trump’s delegates.

2. Had Cruz’s campaign not proceeded to cost Trump delegates, Trump could have continued with Corey Lewandowski as the campaign boss.

3. Instead, Trump hired Paul Manafort to stop the bleed and defend his hard won delegates.

4. As soon as Manafort became involved with Trump’s campaign, a huge target was on Paul’s back. The Ukranian / Russian accusations began.

5. Had Paul not been involved with Trump, it is very unlikely he would have been targeted for an attack.

6. It is Manafort’s association with Trump and the 2016 campaign that has just cost him his freedom.

7. Manafort was doing some other work when he was summoned by Trump or perhaps Roger Stone to stop the delegate theft in 3/2016. Paul could have turned Trump down and kept about his business cruising under the radar.Manafort being put in jail has very much to do with the campaign strategy of Ted Cruz. Cruz was claiming and then taking delegates repeatedly in states that he lost.

1. Had Cruz accepted his 2nd, 3rd, and 4th place losses in multiple states he would not have attempted to steal the winner- Trump’s delegates.

2. Had his campaign not proceeded to cost Trump delegates, Trump could have continued with Corey Lewandowski as the campaign boss.

3. Instead he hired Paul Manafort to keep and defend his hard won delegates.

4. As soon as Manafort became involved with Trump’s campaign, Paul had a huge target on his back. The Ukranian / Russian accusations began.

5. Had Paul not been involved with Trump, it is very unlikely he would have been targeted.

6. It is Manafort’s role (to stop delegate theft) in the 2016 that has just cost him his freedom.

7. I really hope and pray that this is not his fate

Just because he is YOUR senator does not mean you must defend all of his antics or wrongs. Lil Marco is one of my senators and I don’t defend or attempt to legitimize his nonsense, nor that of Republican Gov. Rick Scott.

It’s only considered ‘crap’ by you because you can not handle the truth. These are facts. Through the research and compilation of data completed by the ‘Green Papers Elections website, anyone can verify the truth. They record exact state voting totals, delegates allotted per candidate and the aftermath of those delegates pledges to go ‘rogue’ and disenfranchise the primary voters.

What is true is-—This primary election ‘crap’ needs to stop. People get outraged when their votes are nullified by cheaters that flip, bribe, or otherwise coerce sworn delegates to ‘flip-off’ the people’s choice.

Trump should not have had to bring in Paul Manafort to keep his winnings. A win IS a win- not a loss.

Likewisw, cheating is one of the main reasons that some of the Bernie Sanders voters switched to Trump, particularly the Christian black men originally for Sanders. They were getting really ticked off with Hillary outright stealing delegates from those Bernie had won. They heard and watched Trump going through the same thing with Cruz and jumped on the Trump train out of disgust with the primary process.

What you may rationalize as campaign general nastiness-crap, many others view as unethical -illegal election tampering—fraud.


84 posted on 06/15/2018 8:59:25 PM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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