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To: unlearner

Manafort being put in jail has very much to do with the campaign strategy of Ted Cruz.

Cruz was claiming wins and then taking delegates repeatedly in states that he lost. He was going to cost Trump the nomination.

1. Had Cruz accepted his 2nd, 3rd, and 4th place losses in multiple states he would not have attempted to steal Trump’s delegates.

2. Had Cruz’s campaign not proceeded to cost Trump delegates, Trump could have continued with Corey Lewandowski as the campaign boss.

3. Instead, Trump hired Paul Manafort to stop the bleed and defend his hard won delegates.

4. As soon as Manafort became involved with Trump’s campaign, a huge target was on Paul’s back. The Ukranian / Russian accusations began.

5. Had Paul not been involved with Trump, it is very unlikely he would have been targeted for an attack.

6. It is Manafort’s association with Trump and the 2016 campaign that has just cost him his freedom.

7. Manafort was doing some other work when he was summoned by Trump or perhaps Roger Stone to stop the delegate theft in 3/2016. Paul could have turned Trump down and kept about his business cruising under the radar.Manafort being put in jail has very much to do with the campaign strategy of Ted Cruz. Cruz was claiming and then taking delegates repeatedly in states that he lost.

1. Had Cruz accepted his 2nd, 3rd, and 4th place losses in multiple states he would not have attempted to steal the winner- Trump’s delegates.

2. Had his campaign not proceeded to cost Trump delegates, Trump could have continued with Corey Lewandowski as the campaign boss.

3. Instead he hired Paul Manafort to keep and defend his hard won delegates.

4. As soon as Manafort became involved with Trump’s campaign, Paul had a huge target on his back. The Ukranian / Russian accusations began.

5. Had Paul not been involved with Trump, it is very unlikely he would have been targeted.

6. It is Manafort’s role (to stop delegate theft) in the 2016 that has just cost him his freedom.

7. I really hope and pray that this is not his fate

Just because he is YOUR senator does not mean you must defend all of his antics or wrongs. Lil Marco is one of my senators and I don’t defend or attempt to legitimize his nonsense, nor that of Republican Gov. Rick Scott.

It’s only considered ‘crap’ by you because you can not handle the truth. These are facts. Through the research and compilation of data completed by the ‘Green Papers Elections website, anyone can verify the truth. They record exact state voting totals, delegates allotted per candidate and the aftermath of those delegates pledges to go ‘rogue’ and disenfranchise the primary voters.

What is true is-—This primary election ‘crap’ needs to stop. People get outraged when their votes are nullified by cheaters that flip, bribe, or otherwise coerce sworn delegates to ‘flip-off’ the people’s choice.

Trump should not have had to bring in Paul Manafort to keep his winnings. A win IS a win- not a loss.

Likewisw, cheating is one of the main reasons that some of the Bernie Sanders voters switched to Trump, particularly the Christian black men originally for Sanders. They were getting really ticked off with Hillary outright stealing delegates from those Bernie had won. They heard and watched Trump going through the same thing with Cruz and jumped on the Trump train out of disgust with the primary process.

What you may rationalize as campaign general nastiness-crap, many others view as unethical -illegal election tampering—fraud.


84 posted on 06/15/2018 8:59:25 PM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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To: Beautiful_Gracious_Skies

“Just because he is YOUR senator does not mean you must defend all of his antics or wrongs.”

I did not defend his “antics”. I defended that he is one of the few reliably conservative votes in the senate. He is also someone who is supporting Trump’s CONSERVATIVE agenda, which the Democrats and establishment Republicans are NOT.

“It’s only considered ‘crap’ by you because you can not handle the truth.”

No. Bringing up Cruz to bash him two years after the primaries, when it is completely unrelated to the issue, is crap. It is hijacking the thread because you got TRIGGERED like a mindless, liberal zombie. Snap out of it. Time for critical thinking skills.

“Christian black men originally for Sanders. They were getting really ticked off with Hillary outright stealing delegates from those Bernie had won. They heard and watched Trump going through the same thing with Cruz and jumped on the Trump train out of disgust with the primary process.”

Trump got about 10% of Bernie supporters. They were mostly white. It is entirely speculative the degree to which the feeling of being cheated played a part in this. However, at the end of the Republican primary, Trump was the first pick of about 38% of Republican-leaning voters. Cruz came in second at about 15% as the first choice. In the end Trump HAD to carry Cruz supporters to win. And that is the same thing I pointed out back when Trump won the nomination. It was stupid for Cruz to withhold his endorsement for so long. It was stupid for ANY Cruz supporters to NOT vote for Trump. It was stupid for Cruz supporters to leave Free Republic. And it was also stupid for initial Trump supporters to continue their nastiness toward Cruz supporters even after the primary was over. Trump got it. He buried the hatchet and moved on. But a lot of his supporters did not. And you are on of them. Time to move on.

“What you may rationalize as campaign general nastiness-crap, many others view as unethical -illegal election tampering—fraud.”

Cruz went to extremes to try to get the nomination, even pushing for a contested convention, which would probably have been disastrous regardless of the final outcome. Conventions are supposed to unify the party with a goal of building momentum toward the election. The primary system is complicated and out-of-touch with ordinary voters. Cruz exploited some of this similarly to Trump or any smart candidate pursuing electoral college votes versus the popular vote. And yes, Manafort was brought in to help Trump address the complexities of this system.

Trump went on the offense toward Cruz. He had to get very aggressive to win. He may have complained about the exploitation of the delegate system as “unfair” or even “dishonest” or “rigged”, but I’ve never heard anyone claim it was illegal.

The only related issue which he challenged the legality of is if the GOP were to change the rules at the convention in order to prevent him from being nominated. The Democrats pulled shenanigans on that level to select Hillary. In the end, the matter of such tactics being illegal was never challenged in court because they did not happen in the GOP convention, and no one on the Democrat side was willing to risk assassination, ala Seth Rich / John Podesta, in order to challenge Hillary’s nomination.

“Manafort being put in jail has very much to do with the campaign strategy of Ted Cruz.”

You are out of your mind. No one on this forum is going to agree with your proposition that Manafort being in jail is somehow the fault of Ted Cruz. Manafort is not in trouble over anything he did in this past election. That’s like arguing that because you had to cover a shift for another employee at work, when you were in a car wreck during your commute, your absent coworker should be financially liable. It’s ludicrous. No rational person believes such a thing.

Your personal grudge against Cruz is like being in the middle of frontline combat and having a fellow soldier in the same foxhole get upset over another soldier’s body odor. Does what Cruz did stink? Perhaps. Does it matter right now? No. What matters is the real enemy is lobbing grenades our direction, and you want to smell armpits.

Stop beating a dead horse and move on.


87 posted on 06/16/2018 3:22:42 AM PDT by unlearner (A war is coming.)
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