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1 posted on 06/01/2018 11:41:03 AM PDT by Liberty7732
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Speculative article. It is trying to thread the needle between the complete BLM gibsmedat, with the mildly government dependent who have had hiring preferences, with the truly independent who vote Dem out of habit and racial solidarity. Tough sale, IMHO.


2 posted on 06/01/2018 11:46:19 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine ("Married with children.")
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It would be great to win it outright, but it only take 15-20 percent voting Republican and the Democrats are dead.


3 posted on 06/01/2018 12:01:57 PM PDT by TBP (Progressives lack compassion and tolerance. Their self-aggrandizement is all that matters.)
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“back” ???


4 posted on 06/01/2018 12:13:15 PM PDT by SMARTY ("Nearly all men can stand adversity...to test a man's character, give him power." A. Lincoln)
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My take is that the key is more jobs and better pay.

President Trump can also make the case that a never ending flood of poor immigrants has crushed the bargaining power of many Blacks just as surely as it has the bargaining power of working class Whites. All the polls indicated many Blacks saw this problem too. The rich White Liberal Establishment (not to mention the Republican Establishment President Trump crushed and is in the process of annhilating) turned its back on many Blacks just as it did working class Whites by embracing globalism and open borders.

I do favor decriminalizing marijuana which plays well and would favor lighter sentences for small time users and less prison time......and again how much of the drug use is driven by a feeling of hopelessness due to not enough jobs? We’ve seen the same effect among working class Whites in many cases wrt de-industrialization followed by the opiod epidemic.

Thus far President Trump is delivering on the economy. Black unemployment is steadily falling. Pay is going up for the first time since the 90s. A vote for Trump is a vote for more of that.


5 posted on 06/01/2018 12:13:49 PM PDT by FLT-bird (..)
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Not included in the post, but should have been: author is Frances Rice.


6 posted on 06/01/2018 12:14:03 PM PDT by upchuck (The problem: parents doing their careers instead of raising their kids. h/t: Wyrd bið ful aræd)
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bump for later reading


7 posted on 06/01/2018 12:17:14 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (We're even doing the right thing for them. They just don't know it yet. --Donald Trump, CPAC '18)
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Blacks are smart to vote for the Democrats, it is in their interest to do so.

The problem is not getting blacks to vote GOP. The problem is pushing the white GOP vote over 60%.

Do that, the Democrats will become an insignificant minority.


8 posted on 06/01/2018 12:20:47 PM PDT by Jim Noble (The more you tighten your grip, the more star systems will slip through your fingers)
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I think the author has it about right. I commend him for recognizing the reality that a huge percentage of the black population is in fact dependent on the government — the “middle class” often works for government, or in affirmative action jobs that in one way or another have their origin in big government, and the poor are dependent on government assistance. If you add to that the 10% who do vote Republican, there aren’t that many persuadable African-Americans out there.

The key in my view to cracking that nut, however, is to made a credible case that life as free people within a prosperous community grounded in moral and ethical behavior is superior to government dependency. To put it in historical terms, you’ve to show people how much better life off the plantation could be for them. I think Trump is on the right track — record low black unemployment is the kind of thing that can make freedom look like a much more attractive option for a lot more people. But yeah, prison reform to make sure that people can support themselves after serving their time, charter schools to help families prepare the children to be productive in the economy, etc., can all help get people off the government teat.

Essentially, the universe of black who might vote GOP is limited to those who can support themselves in the free market. To the extent that we can expand that population, we’ll get more black votes.


13 posted on 06/01/2018 12:49:32 PM PDT by Behind the Blue Wall
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Frances Rice is the author of this I believe.

It raises some good points but I am extremely uncomfortable talking abut white votes and black votes. These are American citizen votes first and last.

I want my candidates raise the important issues to serve, advance and protect our nation and then sensible citizens can vote for them.

Pandering to different “groups’ is the false work of leftists. And people that think about themselves in terms of their last sexual arousal or skin tone alignment should realize how easily manipulated they have become in the last two generations.


16 posted on 06/01/2018 1:14:01 PM PDT by KC Burke (If all the world is a stage, I would like to request my lighting be adjusted.)
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One thing that could be done is to persuade some well-known and respected current Black conservative leader to republish the complete 1876 Address which is excerpted below.

Long ago, American citizens were warned by wise and learned persons, both Caucasian and Black, about the consequences of inattention to, and departure from, the ideas of liberty upon which their Declaration of Independence and Constitution were formed!

Ohio State Senator and A.M.E. Bishop Benjamin W. Arnett, who was an outstanding scholar, Legislator, and Minister, and one who actually lived through the periods before, during and after, of the Civil War and delivered a most outstanding Centennial of the Declaration Sermon, at St. Paul Church in Norwalk, Ohio, by invitation, in honor of the 100th Anniversary of the Declaration of Independence, in which he traced the history of nations and that of America, from it's inception and up to the Year of the Centennial of its Declaration.

 photo Benjamin W. Arnett2 image.jpg

In that Sermon, Dr. Arnett issued a grave warning of what might happen to America if a group, including academics who then self-described as "Liberals," had its way. Excerpts follow:

"The Danger to our Country.

"Now that our national glory and grandeur is principally derived from the position the fathers took on the great questions of right and wrong, and the career of this nation has been unparalleled in the history of the past, now there are those who are demanding the tearing down the strength of our national fabric. They may not intend to tear it down, but just as sure as they have their way, just that sure will they undermine our superstructure and cause the greatest calamity of the age. What are the demands of this party of men? Just look at it and examine it for yourselves, and see if you are willing that they shall have their way; or will you still assist in keeping the ship of state in the hands of the same crew and run her by the old gospel chart! But ye men who think there is no danger listen to the demands of the Liberals as they choose to call themselves:

"'Organize! Liberals of America! The hour for action has arrived. The cause of freedom calls upon us to combine our strength, our zeal, our efforts. These are The Demands of Liberalism:

"'1. We demand that churches and other ecclesiastical property shall no longer be exempt from just taxation.

"'2. We demand that the employment of chaplains in Congress, in State Legislatures, in the navy and militia, and in prisons, asylums, and all other institutions supported by public money, shall be discontinued.

"'3. We demand that all public appropriations for sectarian educational and charitable institutions shall cease.

"'4. We demand that all religious services now sustained by the government shall be abolished; and especially that the use of the Bible in the public schools, whether ostensibly as a text-book or avowedly as a book of religious worship, shall be prohibited.

"'5. We demand that the appointment, by the President of the United States or by the Governors of the various States, of all religious festivals and fasts shall wholly cease.

"'6. We demand that the judicial oath in the courts and in all other departments of the government shall be abolished, and that simple affirmation under the pains and penalties of perjury shall be established in its stead.

"'7. We demand that all laws directly or indirectly enforcing the observance of Sunday as the Sabbath shall be repealed.

"'8. We demand that all laws looking to the enforcement of “Christian” morality shall be abrogated, and that all laws shall be conformed to the requirements of natural morality, equal rights, and impartial liberty.

"'9. We demand that not only in the Constitution of the United States and of the several States, but also in the practical administration of the same, no privilege or advantage shall be conceded to Christianity or any other special religion; that our entire political system shall be founded and administered on a purely secular basis; and that whatever changes shall prove necessary to this end shall be consistently, unflinchingly, and promptly made.'

"'Let us boldly and with high purpose meet the duty of the hour.'

In another section of the lengthy discourse, Bishop Arnett addressed the topic of "The Greatness of America," as follows:
"Let us see what it is that makes us so great; wherein lies our strength. What has made us one of the greatest powers of the earth, politically and intellectually? Have we come to the conclusion that it is Righteousness that exalteth a nation? We have met to-day at the request of the President of the United States, Ulysses S. Grant, and also the Governor of our beloved State, Rutherford B. Hayes. For what? Why call us from our homes? Why come to the house of God? Why not go to the hall of mirth and to the places of amusement to-day? No that is not what they want us to do. We are commanded to go to our 'several places of worship, and there offer up thanks to Kind Providence which has brought our nation through the scenes of another year, and blessed the land with peace, plenty and prosperity.' Then as Americans we have reason to rejoice and congratulate ourselves on the greatness of our beloved country; at this the close of the first hundred years of experimental government of the people, by the people, and for the people. To be a citizen of this vast country is something, and to share in its privileges and duties is more than something." - Dr. Benjamin W. Arnett, 1876 "Centennial Thanksgiving Sermon" -

CENTENNIAL Thanksgiving Sermon, DELIVERED BY REV. B. W. ARNETT, B. D., AT ST. PAUL A. M. E. CHURCH, URBANA, OHIO 1876 - available in the "Library of Congress - Historical Collections" - "African-American Pamphlets from the Daniel A. P. Murray Collection," 1820-1920; American Memory, Washington, DC.

This historical treasure is one which should be prominent in our national discussions, especially now, when our philosophical foundations are being challenged, and when the views of a learned man like Dr. Arnett might shed light on centuries-old ideas about America's history. His theme: Righteousness Exalteth a Nation, but Sin is a Reproach to any People."

"Withdraw from Christendom the Bible, the Church with its sacraments and ministry, and Christian morality and hopes, and aspirations for time and eternity; repeal all the laws that are founded in the Christian Scriptures; remove the Christian humanities in the form of hospitals and asylums, and reformatories and institutions of mercy utterly unknown to unchristian countries; destroy the literature, the culture, the institutions of learning, the art, the refinement, the place of woman in her home and in society, which owe their origin and power to Christianity; blot out all faith in Divine Providence, love, and righteousness; turn back every believer in Christ to his former state; remove all thought or hope of the forgiveness of sins by a just but gracious God; erase the name of Christ from every register it sanctifies—in a word annihilate all the legitimate and logical effects of Christianity in Christendom—just accomplish in fact what multitudes of gifted and learned minds are wishing and trying to accomplish by their science, philosophy, and criticism, and what multitudes of the common people desire and seek, and not only would all progress toward and unto perfection cease, but not one of the shining lights of infidelity would shine much longer. Yes, the bitterest enemies of this holy and blessed religion, owe their ability to be enemies to its sacred revelations - to the inspiration and sublimity of that faith which reflects its glories on their hostile natures. They live in the strength of that which they would destroy. They are raised to their seats of opportunity and power by the grace of Him they would crucify afresh; and is it to be thought that they are stronger than that which gives them strength? Can it be supposed that a religion which civilizes and subdues, and elevates and blesses will succumb to the enmities it may arouse and quicken in its onward march? Are we to tremble for the ark of God when God is its upholder, and protector, and preserver?” - Dr. Benjaming W. Arnett, St. Paul A.M.E. Church, Urbana, Ohio, Centennial Thanksgiving Sermon, November 1876
Dr. Arnett, an A.M.E. Minister and Ohio State Legislator, was invited to publish this remarkable sermon commemorating the Centennial of the Declaration of Independence by the following method:

To:

Rev. B. W. ARNETT, B. D.

Dear Pastor:

Will you please prepare your “Centennial Thanksgiving Sermon” for publication: together with whatever matter pertaining to the colored people of this city, you deem worth preserving.

We make this request of you, believing that the publication of such matter, will be of benefit to the present and succeeding generations.

Yours Respectfully,

J GAITER
J. DEMPCY
C. L, GANT
Trustees W. A. STILGASS, W. O. BOWLES

Urbana, O.

December 7th, 1876

J GAITER, J. DEMPCY, C. L, GANT

Trustees W. A. STILGASS, W. O. BOWLES


17 posted on 06/01/2018 1:18:12 PM PDT by loveliberty2 (?)
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Unfortunately there’s a culture of government employees / government give outs, and and institutionalize preferential treatment called quotas and affirmative action that as a conservative or libertarian we should not embrace. They’re going to have to come to our side, because coming to hem means to become a socialist.


18 posted on 06/01/2018 1:30:26 PM PDT by snarkytart
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To speak in terms of “the black vote” is sort of silly

All that is required is <18% or so. There is no need to try to get the black vote.

Only a rather small part will do the job


25 posted on 06/01/2018 1:59:01 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Greetings Jacques. The revolution is coming))
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Easy
TRUMP


27 posted on 06/01/2018 2:03:14 PM PDT by Truthoverpower (The guvmint you get is the Trump winning express !)
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Keep providing jobs and tax cuts.


28 posted on 06/01/2018 2:05:11 PM PDT by G Larry (There is no great virtue in bargaining with the Devil)
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How Republicans Win Back The Black Vote

They don't. Accept that and move on. The Republicans have shown time and again they can win without it.

31 posted on 06/01/2018 2:13:04 PM PDT by DoodleDawg
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I think you’ll see blacks voting Rep in November, and as much as they can see employment going down, in 2020, I think 15% will vote Trump/Rep.


37 posted on 06/01/2018 8:25:08 PM PDT by ConservaTeen (Islam is Not the Religion of Peace, but The religion of Pedophilia...)
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