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Neil Gorsuch’s Question Is Key To Unlocking The Upcoming Masterpiece Cakeshop Decision
The Federalist ^ | 5-30-18 | Jeremiah Keenan

Posted on 05/30/2018 9:24:06 PM PDT by DeweyCA

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The second half of this article contains some really interesting statistics on the malleability of homosexual orientation from a 2007 Cornell University 6-year longitudinal study done on 10,000 individuals. The author also later tells about the results of a 2011 research study. The author's thesis is that since homosexual orientation is malleable/changeable, it should not be treated like race (which can't be changed) in discrimination lawsuits.
1 posted on 05/30/2018 9:24:07 PM PDT by DeweyCA
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To: DeweyCA

“It means there’s basically an ability to boycott gay marriages”, as if that’s a bad thing. Shouldn’t free people be able to boycott whatever they like, without government forcing them to buy something they don’t want, or do something they don’t want to do?


2 posted on 05/30/2018 9:30:18 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: Telepathic Intruder

The liberal judges are trying to find a way to curtail free speech without admitting that’s what they’re doing.. If they give Phillips a pass ,then everyone involved with weddings can turn gays down...Liberals are trying to figure a way to stop it ..They hate free speech for anyone but them...


3 posted on 05/30/2018 9:35:13 PM PDT by Hambone 1934
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To: DeweyCA

The great lie of our age is the King’s new clothes, the idea that homosexuality is normal, irreversible and must not only be accepted by the masses but approved of as well.


4 posted on 05/30/2018 9:36:57 PM PDT by Midwesterner53
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To: DeweyCA

being gay is an abominable deviant lifestyle choice that flies in the face of Christian morals- it is NOT a genetic issue that can’t be helped- it is a choice- period! Others should not be forced to cater to it or accept it and celebrate it or help celebrate it, any more so than a satanist should not be able to demand a Christian bakery bake a cake with satanic elements listed on it- We have a religious right in this country to object to abhorrent lifestyle choices of groups of people who choose to live lives that are morally reprehensible and offensive. Should Christian bakeries be forced to bake cakes that celebrate the sick twisted world of pedophilia? Of course not! Of Bestiality? Nope! Necrophilia? Not a chance! To celebrate child sacrifices to Molech? No Way! ALL these are abhorrent lifestyle CHOICES- homosexuality is no different- it is a choice- and forcing someone against their religious beliefs to support it or create stuff to celebrate it, or ANY of the other numerous abhorrent lifestyles people CHOOSE to live- is not constitutional!


5 posted on 05/30/2018 9:39:11 PM PDT by Bob434
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To: DeweyCA

No Kennedy is worth anything.


6 posted on 05/30/2018 9:47:27 PM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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I've always believed that this is not a First Amendment case, rather it's a 13th Amendment case: Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. If the government can force someone to create something against their will, that is slavery and involuntary servitude. These bakers, photographers etc. are being forced to create against their will. We're not talking about selling cookies to someone but the creation of a custom product.
7 posted on 05/30/2018 9:48:15 PM PDT by JMS
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It is worse than a “choice”. It is caused by childhood neglect and abuse always. Anyone who celebrates such vile, evil behaviors is also celebrating child abuse.

Moberly’s book on Psychogenesis and also all the research in the Catholic Church details the cause of “homosexuality”—a made up Marxist “word” for sodomites like in Afghanistan where they have boy harems....just like the Spartan and Samurai did, since it is essential to corrupt little boys for the grooming into that vile, evil lifestyle—like Milo was “groomed....and Chastity Bono, and Harry Hay, and Harvey Milk and Oscar Wilde, and as all the “homosexuals” who end up raping 108 boys on average. It is why Cardinal Pell’s trial in Australia (the boy-sex ring—like the Franklin-Cover Up) is so secret. It is why no one knows about the little boys that John Maynard Keynes was passing around in his homosexual orgies-—and he is venerated—a pederast—as is Harvey Milk—a pederast—in our evil public skools which is normalizing the satanic behaviors in five year olds with “Pride” in sodomizing others days.

Truth will set us free. The Truth is that sodomy is an abomination and learned behavior—as all behavior is learned and habituated..... and if always includes the grooming of little boys so they are warped for life.

Sodomy is anti-christian, anti-science, anti-human, anti-reason, yet they promote the satanism (and islamic/Kabbala) behaviors-—which is promoting Ba’al “Rites”-—a religion on our kindergarteners and bakers and photographers. There is NO freedom of thought or religion in such a vile Vice System-—which promotes evil behaviors and considers people who desire to sodomize others as “good” and it is “love”-—such a vile 2000 year-old flipping of Good and Evil back to the slave-pederastic days of Greece again.


8 posted on 05/30/2018 10:04:41 PM PDT by savagesusie (When Law ceases to be Just, it ceases to be Law. (Thomas A./Founders/John Marshall)/Nuremberg)
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To: wastedyears

“No Kennedy is worth anything.”

We should hope that this one “moves on,” one way or another. Retirement, or a pine box. At this juncture either is fine with me.


9 posted on 05/30/2018 10:06:12 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: Telepathic Intruder
“It means there’s basically an ability to boycott gay marriages”, as if that’s a bad thing. Shouldn’t free people be able to boycott whatever they like, without government forcing them to buy something they don’t want, or do something they don’t want to do?

It should do no such thing as boycotting gay marriages, that's an asinine argument. Would gays still be able to be married? Of course they would! Instead of the queers and their panderers starting their own businesses catering to their desires they demand that others........especially Christians celebrate their perversity.

10 posted on 05/30/2018 10:19:01 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Midwesterner53

“Homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.” - Catechism of the Catholic Church, 2357


11 posted on 05/30/2018 10:26:12 PM PDT by karnage
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To: savagesusie

And so fine, you’ve virtue-signaled your great virtue and condemned it even worse than the bible does (if it were possible) but that still leaves the question:

What do we DO about this thing.

God must, must, MUST be in the answer. We aren’t dealing with earthly powers alone here. Did this even have to be kicked up to the USSC now — why couldn’t support for the victim have been crowdfunded? Could this have waited for another Trump appointment? Oh well, it hasn’t.

The liberals are in a dilemma here though. If they win on this one, that could bring in a stiff wind to the right, which could cost them much more than Trump already has. And Trump will do it with a hey nonny nonny.


12 posted on 05/30/2018 10:28:58 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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The goal has always been to destroy marriage. Gays don’t really want it, they want to pervert it into something unholy, forcing Christians to watch and approve so as to make the destruction a total one. To them, that’s a step toward destroying the concept of God itself. Then, down can be up, bad can be good, and depravity can be virtue.


13 posted on 05/30/2018 10:37:57 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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Well it looks like the sleight of hand is pretty advanced here... though I hope even the USSC decides not to play with double fire after playing with single fire.


14 posted on 05/30/2018 10:47:02 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: DeweyCA

Any cases with Muslim run Bakeries refusing to serve Gays on the Docket, or is this just the usual Christian persecution?


15 posted on 05/30/2018 10:47:55 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (The only good Commie is a dead Commie. Cast your Vote Accordingly.)
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To: DeweyCA

One of the targets of leftists is to destroy traditional marriage. One of the paths to that goal is to force everyone to accept other types of marriage. Their arguements are really just highly intellectual nonsense. Gods arguements for traditional marriage, and against sexual perversions, are easy for anyone to understand, and they never change.


16 posted on 05/30/2018 10:49:43 PM PDT by robel
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Ah, the prosecutors drop those like hot halal potatoes.


17 posted on 05/30/2018 10:50:07 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: robel

We have a question for churches here however. Suppose the government just won’t stand up for what you ought to stand up for. Now what do you do. George Washington won’t do it for you anymore.


18 posted on 05/30/2018 10:51:06 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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To: JMS
Going just a little further, I am somewhat disappointed that none of the arguments presented in this case offer any challenge to the legal swampland created in 1964 with "public accommodations."

All businesses, large and small, make decisions on who to buy their products from based on sometimes arbitrary criteria such as convenience, personality of the jobber, advertising, etc. In a sense, businesses discriminate when dealing with other businesses.

But, since the enactment of the Civil Rights act of 1964, it is illegal to discriminate when selling goods and services to the public. You can pick your suppliers but not your customers.

Carried to its logical conclusion, which it could be, the law would prohibit exclusive purchasing channels in certain specialty goods and services. (These are probably intended to reduce outside competition more than anything else, of course, with no implication of racial, age or gender discrimination. Credit rating, net worth, sales volume, number of stores or employees would be factors, though, and not everyone qualifies.)

The freedom to contract, once thought inviolate, has been eroded bit by bit over the last century. Government permission is required to do business, and once granted it must be done only in accord with ever-changing laws and regulations.

It's all for our safety and well-being, of course.

19 posted on 05/30/2018 10:52:26 PM PDT by logician2u
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‘elf and safety, like they say in unjolly old England.


20 posted on 05/30/2018 11:07:53 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Tryin' hard to win the No-Bull Prize.)
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