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“MLK was trained at the Highlander Folk School here in my state of TN. It was used to bring up Communist activists. He believed in massive federal government to resolve problems and thought the Communist system was a legitimate opposition system (he said as much on an interview with Merv Griffin). He may have sounded “Conservative” in some of his speeches (indeed, he plagiarized the speech of a Republican minister delivered to the GOP National Convention, “I Have A Dream”), but he was still very left wing and helped to lead 90%+ of Black voters onto the Democrat Plantation. The damage that has done to the Black community has been without equal, especially the destruction of the Black family.”

Yeah, I’m pretty sure that even a left-wing Christian with Communist sympathies would not denounce Communism to such an extent that he declares it incapable of being mixed together, like King did in this speech here: http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/can-a-christian-be-a-communist/. If anything, they’d basically delusionally believe they COULD be mixed together with zero issues. You know, like the priest who recruited Hillary Clinton into being taught by Saul Alinsky, or the Liberation Theology believers, or Pope Francis for that matter. Either way, that speech he made STILL made him far better than Jesse Jackson, who actually DID try to praise Cuba’s communist system every chance he got. Also helps that King’s niece is in fact pro life.

“Of course, you’re citing individuals that (at the time) could not have held or won office in this country. Intellectuals tend to be especially odious, airing their deranged views from the comfort of their ivory towers and never to live under such systems. These Communist celebrities are equally as bad. Filthy rich, they got theirs, and the peons should be serving them. Of course, they’ll never move to Cuba or Venezuela or North Korea to their utopias. George Lucas is so overrated, anyhow. Star Wars is just a rip-off of Flash Gordon. He couldn’t secure the rights to making “Gordon”, so he just reworked the story. Now the new movies are nothing more than SJW propaganda and garbage. But, yes, left-wingers have been making humanity miserable now for centuries, bathing the 20th century in oceans of blood. I learned that the left was never about solving problems, but perpetuating misery and chaos and dependency in order to keep themselves in power. How much further we’d be along as humanity were they never to have existed.”

Honestly, wanting to maintain power by any means necessary would probably be too kind a description for them. I personally think they’re more like the Joker from The Dark Knight, doing their actions solely so they can watch the world burn, not even CARE if they get caught in the crossfire and or have their actions backfire on them.

As far as Lucas, I heard a similar story regarding how Star Wars was made, only instead of him not getting the rights to a Flash Gordon film, it involved having his rights to Apocalypse Now taken away from him after THX-1138’s failure, not to mention his American Zoetrope studio shut down (personally, I think the story would have been worse, be very openly against the Vietnam War, even when compared to the uncut version of the film we did get). His basing the Rebels on the Vietcong and the Empire on America is pretty much the reason I root for the Empire right now, and I don’t generally root for villains nor do I even like to root for villains, that’s how badly I took that revelation. And from what I’ve read in PIG 1960s, the student radicals in America at least, many of whom being Red Diaper babies, managed to blackball school administrators into effectively letting them have complete air time with that so-called “Free Speech” movement.

You might want to make sure to address the bit about Khrushchev apparently throwing a tantrum in the aftermath of the CMC going by what Ion Mihai Pacepa stated, though. Even gave you a link to that earlier.

“Voter fraud for Democrats is as American as apple pie. But it the case of 2012, it obviously happened, but it didn’t make any difference, since the outcome was already pre-determined.”

True, the Democrats have done voter fraud as well, but you still have to admit that it seems suspicious that only the Voter ID states swung for Romney. Maybe if a Voter ID state swung for Obama, I’d probably consider the possibility that some were disgruntled about Romney and not think anything else was suspicious, but all going for Romney? Yeah, sorry, but I would suspect voter fraud on Obama’s end was responsible for the election victory on Obama’s end. And it wouldn’t surprise me either, since Chicago’s infamous for its voter fraud, doing it since at least the time Daly told people to “vote early, vote often”.

“You weren’t here for the fun times a dozen years ago. I was watching Willard the Rat (or Slick Willard, Scum Willard, et al) from the time he was Governor. To say he was a disastrous Socialist Chief Executive would be an understatement. He put leftist pro-criminal judges on the bench, he supported the pro-gay marriage horror, and implemented the very model for ZeroCare complete with cheap abortions. He also killed the last vestiges of the GOP in the state. In other words, Willard was a perfect Democrat. He also was massively unpopular and fled the office before he lost reelection and handed it to a Black Communist (sound familiar ?). He moved far away to California. I knew a total megalomaniac and pathological liar like Willard would be a disaster for the country if he ran for or became President. Then again, he was content in three elections in a row to (#1, help undermine and backstab Gov. Palin when she became McQueeg’s running mate. #2, Willfully and deliberately threw the 2012 election. #3, Personally recruited Egg McMuffin for 2016 to funnel votes away from Trump and elect Hillary). To say Willard is a treasonous scumbag would be an understatement. What damage he will inflict (or attempt to) as the new Senator from Utah to deliberately harm President Trump is the question. I would vote for the actual Democrat running against him to keep him from the Senate. “

Yeah, come to think of it, I definitely remember being irritated when I saw that list of celebrities who voiced support for Obama and Romney was among them. I did ultimately vote for Romney in the actual election, although only because I couldn’t just sit home, not when the alternative was letting Obama stay in office. Besides, he did have as his VP Paul Ryan, who was pro-life, so I figured that at least I’m getting someone who was pro-life in there. And honestly, had Randall Terry successfully ousted Obama for the nomination in 2012, I definitely would have considered voting for him back then (I’m technically independent, so I can in fact vote for any party I wish. Randall Terry is pretty much the only exception I’m willing to make regarding Democrats and voting for them since at least HE is proven to be staunchly pro-Life). And as far as third party candidates, that’s pretty much a joke. Why bother voting for a third party candidate when they’re not even going to win anyways. Comes across as a wasted vote anyway.

“As for the other candidates you mentioned, they were all too weak. Herman Cain was obliterated as soon as they trotted out the hackneyed old Democrat dirty trick of “sexual harassment” (which was racist on its face). Santorum was second-tier and could not get the resources needed to run a serious race. The only reason he got the support he did was because nobody else running had any Conservative credibility. You had Huckster from Arkansas, but he was the Southern-fried Willard and a disaster as Governor and had zero credibility on immigration (he supported open borders and keeping Tyson factories chock-full of illegal slave labor). He also virtually destroyed the state GOP (indeed, his Democrat successor did more to help the AR GOP than Huckster). As for Newtie, he was a no-go. He was one of the most unpopular pols in the country, he never recovered from his time as Speaker. He folded like a cheap suit during the so-called gov’t shutdown of 1995 and all but handed Bubba Clintoon his second term. Now while he would’ve run to win, he was too problematic to win. Rudy Giuliani was a possibility (and he did take down an incompetent Communist Black Mayor in his first term), but he was too left-wing on social issues and it didn’t make sense that he’d appoint a Conservative government when he didn’t believe in it. Why would you appoint people you disagree with ?”

Like I said, my initial, and preferred, choice was Rick Santorum. I only went with Romney because it was either him or Obama, and I sure as heck wasn’t voting for Obama (and if I sat out, it would effectively be the same as voting for Obama). In fact, the one person I definitely didn’t want to vote for in the GOP by any stretch was Ron Paul. Sure, maybe he’s got a point on economic issues, but everything else he’s so dead wrong that it would be like voting the Joker from Batman into the presidency, and he pretty much supported abortificants, something I’m unwilling to knowingly back in a candidate (would even avoid voting for a Republican if they backed it if I could help it).

“Adlai ? Probably because of the scene he made when he served as UN Ambassador under JFK (the “Don’t wait for the translation !” he shouted at the Russian Ambassador). It was a great visual, but Adlai as President would’ve been the Peter Sellers caricature Merkin Muffley from “Dr. Strangelove.”

I... didn’t even mention Adlai, so I don’t even know what you’re getting at there, because I referenced Conservapedia and the Politically Incorrect Guide to the 1960s in that thing you responded to, and about Ike, no less.

“The folks that should participate in anything pertaining to “democracy” are those with skin in the game. The makers, not the takers. It’s frightening to think Thomas Jefferson supported the French Revolution, which demonstrated the left in all its bloodthirsty glory. Of course, he supported us being an agrarian society, since when you end up with cities... well, we’ve seen what political cesspools they are with corrupt, statist and totalitarian leftist instincts and no diversity of opinion (or critical thinking).”

He unfortunately DID support those jerks. Even went as far as to write a letter voicing his support, as you can see here: https://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/96oct/obrien/adam.htm In fact, it was his support of the French Revolution that was the main reason why John Adams and he basically broke off their friendship. Oh, and speaking of which, the book “Liberty: The God that Failed” by Christopher A. Ferrara gives quite a bit more detail about him. Did you know that Jefferson basically was a huge Big Government Ogre? Here’s a bulletpointed list in this link: http://distributistreview.com/liberty-god-that-failed/

“Well, Malcolm X commented that JFK’s assassination was like the chickens coming home to roost. Unlike MLK, who all but urged the Black poultry to go to the Democrat plantation of Colonel Sanders, Malcolm warned Blacks about voting Democrat. MLK was too much of an attention-seeker (and pleasure-seeker) to have done much positive in the long run, but it would’ve been curious to see where Malcolm would’ve been at had he not been assassinated. He at least urged Blacks NOT to depend on government, which was excellent advice. Once you become dependent, it’s hard to break the habit (like alcohol or drugs). Democrats knew this and worked it to their advantage, and still to this day.”

Maybe, but on the other hand, he also advocated for black revolts and separatist groups akin to the KKK, so he definitely was closer to the far left than MLK was even if he did advocate against government dependency. After all, the likes of Michel Foucault and Jean-Paul Sartre if anything demanded the extermination of government, the former even advocating for people to just engage in vigilante lynching, or as he put it, popular justice, like with the September Massacres, and you’d have to be blind to think that he wanted government, even basically stating that government was the same as a prison as well as, well, pretty much any job, private or public, being a prison, and last I checked, they were of the far left, not even close to conservative under either the American OR the European definition.

“But the point was that he needed to show up and stand up and be counted. It’s not courageous to dodge a key vote, it’s cowardice.”

Maybe, but then again, showing up, standing up, and being counted among Democrats while taking his time taking as much joy in destroying the career of a patriot who can barely even defend himself a’la Che Guevara and his execution squads against defenseless boys isn’t really courageous by any stretch either. In fact, I’d argue such is even MORE cowardly than simply not voting. At least by not voting, he technically still isn’t actually siding with the Democrats.

“I considered them all odious.”

Honestly, I think them all odious too. But here’s the thing, I think of ALL people, myself included, as odious for doing even one bad thing, and if I go by that line of thinking... well, let’s just say my views would be more likely to just ensure no human remains alive (myself included), or even this planet Earth, so I HAVE to try and look for even small positives in order to not do to the world what Kefka did in FFVI out of a fit of nihilism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-cdwDnryY0

“He turned out a lot of people to vote for him that either wouldn’t have voted or voted Democrat. Trump carried some counties that hadn’t gone Republican in over 6 decades (places like Dubuque, Iowa, a Catholic area), even one county in WA state that last went GOP for President in 1928. A lot of working-class and industrial areas went hard for Trump. The GOP should unapologetically be a workers’ party (take back that name from the Stalinists) and an empowerment party for the individual, not empowerment for bureaucrats, ultraleft nutters and elitists. “

Well, to be fair, speaking as someone who IS Catholic since childhood when my mom returned to the Church, I voted for McCain, Santorum, Romney, Ben Carson, and Donald Trump, and have generally voted Republican (mostly because there’s more chance of them actually repealing Roe v. Wade than the Democrats), and 2008 was actually my first presidential vote (before then, the only other time I might have voted was during the vote for Dunwoody to become a City).

“Of course, the Constitution is being flagrantly violated on a daily basis.”

No kidding, and it’s been that way since at the very least when Earl Warren was put on the Supreme Court, arguably even before that when FDR threatened to pack the court.

“It’s not education in itself that is the problem, it’s indoctrination and failure to teach critical thinking. The big ed industry has become so thoroughly corrupted and needs be cleaned out from top to bottom.”

I wish I could believe you regarding education in itself not being the problem. Really, I do. Unfortunately, after the likes of Voltaire and Diderot managed to take over the French Academy and basically used that to basically indoctrinate loads of literate people in France down to and including the peasant class into thinking Christians were bad, leading directly to the French Revolution (this part you can read about from Timothy Dwight’s 1799 speech to the Yale Graduates of Independence Day of that year recapping how the French Revolution happened), heck, Jean-Jacques Rousseau practically FOUNDING Education, or at least what we know of it today via his Emile book, I definitely have to blame Education itself for it. Based on my experiences, heck, even doing some independent research that had me learning that Rousseau and Voltaire are effectively responsible for the sorry state of education right now, if not responsible for education itself, it’s better off just being destroyed, reduced to rubble, not even BOTHER fixing it (besides, the leftist radicals also claimed to be working to fix education back during the 1960s, and they invariably made it worse). By keeping it, we have brainwashing and indoctrination. Is it bleak, yes, but unfortunately, it is what it is. One article has even implied that this rot has been going on since the 19th century. Here, read for yourself: https://www.theblaze.com/contributions/why-liberals-think-being-educated-means-being-liberal

“I wish God would be a bit more controlling, to be honest. Rid us of the cancers of our society. Of course, He operates on His schedule, not ours. Though if He controlled every little aspect, what would be the point of our existence ? How would we ever learn ? It’d be like your parents perpetually babysitting you throughout your life.”

Sometimes I wonder if that is the case, that he’s not controlling. As far as I can tell, God’s essentially a combination of the Patriots from MGS2 (https://youtu.be/eKl6WjfDqYA; https://youtu.be/mrVThXFnE1s ), the Architect from The Matrix Reloaded (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dij287EZT50 ), and Kefka from Final Fantasy VI. Have to think that way since he’s omnipotent and omniscient, not to mention omnipresent, meaning he can’t be stupid, weak, or anything like that. Even if it’s a bleak view of God, it’s still what I think of as God, especially after Raiders of the Lost Ark.

“Technically, he would be telling the truth by saying as much. Unfortunately, even if Roe was jettisoned today, some states that enacted laws preceding the decision (NY being one) would still have legalized abortion.”

Then we need to find a way to ensure the states DON’T retain those abortion laws. For goodness sakes, the Founding Fathers actually had state laws that banned pornographic material before Earl Warren with his Memoirs v. Massachusetts ruling pretty much gutted those laws.

“Curiously, Ah-nold wasn’t even initially planning on running in the recall of 2003. He was planning on recruiting the left-wing RINO ex-Mayor of Los Angeles, Tricky Dick Riordan. Riordan was mediocre and loved endorsing Democrats (such as Sen. Feinstein). He was obliterated when he tried to run in a Gubernatorial primary, exposed as the left-wing phony that he is. So Ah-nold went to have a one-on-one with Dicky and made the discovery that he was obviously senile and had rice pudding for brains (wasn’t just the leftism that addled his brain). Conservative Tom McClintock was already in the running, and a mush-brained Riordan would’ve been toast, so Ah-nold himself got in and used deep pockets and the corrupt party establishment to buy the office out from under McClintock. It’s sick and sad to see the state today, so far removed from the Golden State shine it had up until the early ‘90s. It’s a feudal state now with anti-American politics and rampant corruption and never-ending spending, chasing the productive middle and working class people out. The shame of the nation.”

Darn shame what happened there. Then again, a lot of the leftist jerks who did the student protests and all of that definitely had the golden sunshine gradually removed (heck, Governor Brown during the 1960s literally let riots occur non-stop at Los Angeles and clearly let them spread to other places), so while Arnold may not have been responsible for losing its sunshine, he certainly didn’t help restore it.


114 posted on 11/01/2018 4:56:30 PM PDT by otness_e
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To: otness_e
"Yeah, I’m pretty sure that even a left-wing Christian with Communist sympathies would not denounce Communism to such an extent that he declares it incapable of being mixed together, like King did in this speech here: http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/can-a-christian-be-a-communist/. If anything, they’d basically delusionally believe they COULD be mixed together with zero issues. You know, like the priest who recruited Hillary Clinton into being taught by Saul Alinsky, or the Liberation Theology believers, or Pope Francis for that matter. Either way, that speech he made STILL made him far better than Jesse Jackson, who actually DID try to praise Cuba’s communist system every chance he got. Also helps that King’s niece is in fact pro life."

I'm not as sanguine about the speech, because he gives Communism some validity that it can somehow help the poor and oppressed. It's a bit too SJW. Plus, he didn't have much credibility about living the life of a good Christian. As for the clergyman who introduced a young and impressionable Hillary to Communist politics, he deserves some serious scrutiny. I absolutely believe she sold her soul to Satan for power and influence. The late Fr. Malachi Martin discussed the subject to an extent on Art Bell's radio show back in the '90s (you can find them on Youtube). They are interesting and very frightening. Anyone who is a disciple of Alinsky is a disciple of Satan. As for Alveda King, she is largely ignored by the media because she isn't a left-winger. Typical treatment for Blacks who have left the Democrat plantation, they're either ignored or vilified.

"Honestly, wanting to maintain power by any means necessary would probably be too kind a description for them. I personally think they’re more like the Joker from The Dark Knight, doing their actions solely so they can watch the world burn, not even CARE if they get caught in the crossfire and or have their actions backfire on them."

That might describe a few, the total nihilists, but most want an escape plan. They're willing to sacrifice the whole world so long as they can get away. Even Che Guevera didn't want to be a martyr in desperately trying to cut a deal with the troops who caught him in Bolivia. Ultimately, they're mostly egotistical cowards.

"As far as Lucas, I heard a similar story regarding how Star Wars was made, only instead of him not getting the rights to a Flash Gordon film, it involved having his rights to Apocalypse Now taken away from him after THX-1138’s failure, not to mention his American Zoetrope studio shut down (personally, I think the story would have been worse, be very openly against the Vietnam War, even when compared to the uncut version of the film we did get). His basing the Rebels on the Vietcong and the Empire on America is pretty much the reason I root for the Empire right now, and I don’t generally root for villains nor do I even like to root for villains, that’s how badly I took that revelation. And from what I’ve read in PIG 1960s, the student radicals in America at least, many of whom being Red Diaper babies, managed to blackball school administrators into effectively letting them have complete air time with that so-called “Free Speech” movement."

The "Free-Speech" movement was a joke. It was just an attempt by Communists to get power and shut down any opposition to their tyranny. Communist totalitarians never voluntarily relinquish power or allow free speech. Since it is viewed by its adherents as absolute and right, there cannot be an "opposition." Opposition are counter-revolutionaries, and they must be destroyed. You can see how that works on college campuses today and locales where these thugs hold power.

"You might want to make sure to address the bit about Khrushchev apparently throwing a tantrum in the aftermath of the CMC going by what Ion Mihai Pacepa stated, though. Even gave you a link to that earlier."

Frankly, all the stuff surrounding JFK's assassination has been so muddied over the years, it's hard to figure out what is truth, what is fiction/hyperbole, etc. I don't think Khrushchev would've necessarily been behind an assassination, because if it openly came out, it would've triggered WW3. He certainly didn't want to start it over Cuba, either. JFK made so many enemies that it made all these conspiracies seem plausible (even the mafia angle, too, and LBJ - since the Kennedys were planning to dump him from the ticket in '64 and replace him with MO Sen. Stuart Symington, a more reliable toady).

"True, the Democrats have done voter fraud as well, but you still have to admit that it seems suspicious that only the Voter ID states swung for Romney. Maybe if a Voter ID state swung for Obama, I’d probably consider the possibility that some were disgruntled about Romney and not think anything else was suspicious, but all going for Romney? Yeah, sorry, but I would suspect voter fraud on Obama’s end was responsible for the election victory on Obama’s end. And it wouldn’t surprise me either, since Chicago’s infamous for its voter fraud, doing it since at least the time Daly told people to “vote early, vote often”."

I think Willard (as with McQueeg) were a toxic contribution to keeping base voters from turning out. I only voted for McQueeg in 2008 solely because I expected him to die in office early and be replaced with Sarah Palin (and she was the only reason he performed as well as he did). It's hard to overstate how shockingly unpopular and hated these two were. Over half the party voters were negative on both. I found it absolutely astonishing how either could get nominated as the most unpopular figures running. I was hoping for both to be defeated at the convention and replaced with a more popular and unifying figure. You cannot nominate someone that unpopular and magically expect them to win a general election.

"Yeah, come to think of it, I definitely remember being irritated when I saw that list of celebrities who voiced support for Obama and Romney was among them. I did ultimately vote for Romney in the actual election, although only because I couldn’t just sit home, not when the alternative was letting Obama stay in office. Besides, he did have as his VP Paul Ryan, who was pro-life, so I figured that at least I’m getting someone who was pro-life in there. And honestly, had Randall Terry successfully ousted Obama for the nomination in 2012, I definitely would have considered voting for him back then (I’m technically independent, so I can in fact vote for any party I wish. Randall Terry is pretty much the only exception I’m willing to make regarding Democrats and voting for them since at least HE is proven to be staunchly pro-Life). And as far as third party candidates, that’s pretty much a joke. Why bother voting for a third party candidate when they’re not even going to win anyways. Comes across as a wasted vote anyway."

I considered my vote for McQueeg in 2008 to be a waste when he didn't die earlier. I later repudiated my vote for him. In 2012, that was the final straw. I'd spent over 6 years warning people about Willard and his antics, and that his nomination was tantamount to re-coronating Zero. I wouldn't vote for him under any circumstances and endorsed VA Congressman Virgil Goode instead as the only option for Conservative patriots. There was nothing that would've changed my mind on that. It wasn't even a lesser of two evils situation, both were evil and Deep State operatives. If Willard had won by accident (he wasn't going to, but still...) the damage he would've done to the Conservative movement would've assured the loss of Congress in 2014 and the election of Hillary in 2016. Our side would not have likely won either the Congress or Presidency again, and the loss of the Supreme Court was imminent. It was just that frightening and bad. As for Paul Ryan, he is also a Deep State Establishment hack. He was more than happy to serve Zero and hates Trump. Conservatives are VERY happy to see this fraud hit the bricks after his willfully incompetent and obstructionist tenure.

"Like I said, my initial, and preferred, choice was Rick Santorum. I only went with Romney because it was either him or Obama, and I sure as heck wasn’t voting for Obama (and if I sat out, it would effectively be the same as voting for Obama). In fact, the one person I definitely didn’t want to vote for in the GOP by any stretch was Ron Paul. Sure, maybe he’s got a point on economic issues, but everything else he’s so dead wrong that it would be like voting the Joker from Batman into the presidency, and he pretty much supported abortificants, something I’m unwilling to knowingly back in a candidate (would even avoid voting for a Republican if they backed it if I could help it)."

Paul's too nutty and too libertarian. But he's not Deep State and would've run to win had he been nominated, but as with you, I had too many problems with him.

"I... didn’t even mention Adlai, so I don’t even know what you’re getting at there, because I referenced Conservapedia and the Politically Incorrect Guide to the 1960s in that thing you responded to, and about Ike, no less."

I misinterpreted your comment to be talking about Adlai being better regarded than JFK by Conservapedia.

"He unfortunately DID support those jerks. Even went as far as to write a letter voicing his support, as you can see here: https://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/96oct/obrien/adam.htm In fact, it was his support of the French Revolution that was the main reason why John Adams and he basically broke off their friendship. Oh, and speaking of which, the book “Liberty: The God that Failed” by Christopher A. Ferrara gives quite a bit more detail about him. Did you know that Jefferson basically was a huge Big Government Ogre? Here’s a bulletpointed list in this link: http://distributistreview.com/liberty-god-that-failed/"

I tended to prefer Adams, anyhow. Keeping slavery enshrined in our fledgling nation was a recipe for long-term disaster. Of course, you were going to have a problem with slave colonies not going along in 1776 had it been abolished. A double-edged sword, to be sure. Then again, you have the problem with flawed individuals trying to come up with a system of governance that had the widest-possible appeal. It's ultimately impossible to create a perfect republican system. Trying to create such a utopia on earth is foolhardy (although that doesn't preclude us from striving to make it better an ironing out and addressing problems, either).

"Maybe, but on the other hand, he also advocated for black revolts and separatist groups akin to the KKK, so he definitely was closer to the far left than MLK was even if he did advocate against government dependency. After all, the likes of Michel Foucault and Jean-Paul Sartre if anything demanded the extermination of government, the former even advocating for people to just engage in vigilante lynching, or as he put it, popular justice, like with the September Massacres, and you’d have to be blind to think that he wanted government, even basically stating that government was the same as a prison as well as, well, pretty much any job, private or public, being a prison, and last I checked, they were of the far left, not even close to conservative under either the American OR the European definition."

The biggest mistake the Black community made was jettisoning the self-reliance ethos of Booker T. Washington in favor of radical leftism espoused by W. E. B. Du Bois. Following Washington would've seen the Black community largely assimilated into the national culture at large (much like how Southern Europeans and Irish were eventually assimilated after being seen as "non-White" in the 19th century), instead of being culturally divorced and at odds. Of course, Washington himself warned us about people that would seek to exploit Blacks to their detriment, and described the hucksters and con-men we see to this day (from Je$$e Jack$on, Al $harpton, Zero, Cory Booker, Maxine Waters & the CBC and other various media and pop culture "overseers" like the Samuel L. Jackson character in "Django Unchained" to keep the slaves from running away).

"Maybe, but then again, showing up, standing up, and being counted among Democrats while taking his time taking as much joy in destroying the career of a patriot who can barely even defend himself a’la Che Guevara and his execution squads against defenseless boys isn’t really courageous by any stretch either. In fact, I’d argue such is even MORE cowardly than simply not voting. At least by not voting, he technically still isn’t actually siding with the Democrats."

By not showing up, I would argue JFK was providing de facto support to the Democrat/RINO left because he didn't DEFEND McCarthy at a pivotal moment.

"Honestly, I think them all odious too. But here’s the thing, I think of ALL people, myself included, as odious for doing even one bad thing, and if I go by that line of thinking... well, let’s just say my views would be more likely to just ensure no human remains alive (myself included), or even this planet Earth, so I HAVE to try and look for even small positives in order to not do to the world what Kefka did in FFVI out of a fit of nihilism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-cdwDnryY0"

Well, we all make mistakes. The difference is whether we are engaged in such actions accidentally or willfully. I look to another political family I wish had never appeared on the political scene: the Bushes. Dubya (or Shrub, a nickname he has since well earned) was sworn to uphold the Constitution and keep our borders secure. Did he do that ? Nope. He allowed millions of illegals to come in (as did his predecessors and successor) and refused to do anything about it. He didn't consider it wrong. I had one of those charming individuals for a neighbor from Central America. He should've been deported but he wasn't, because this wasn't a priority. One day, he apparently tried to kill his wife and two police officers (as I was typing away right here at my computer, got to hear the exchange out my open window). For 7 years, too, another set of neighbors of undetermined status harassed us day and night, cops were called endlessly, and nothing was done (didn't want to appear "racist" for going after some Mexicans). Of course, these were just two examples. When I hear the lying media tell us about how these folks are just a bunch of innocents and people who want to secure our borders (Trump) are racist and evil, I want to slap them hard across the face. Rapists, murderers, thugs, drunk drivers and more ARE the people that settled into my area and others across the country. They make our communities unsafe and drain our resources. But elitists like Shrub, Pelosi, Schumer, et al, who don't have these quality folks living feet away from them (indeed, they have security and expensive estates to keep them far, far away in my working-class neighborhood) don't have them disturbing and threatening them 24/7. If they love them so much, they won't mind taking them and Mohammadans, too, into their homes and open arms to sleep next to them and their children and grandchildren. Until then, they can STFU.

"Well, to be fair, speaking as someone who IS Catholic since childhood when my mom returned to the Church, I voted for McCain, Santorum, Romney, Ben Carson, and Donald Trump, and have generally voted Republican (mostly because there’s more chance of them actually repealing Roe v. Wade than the Democrats), and 2008 was actually my first presidential vote (before then, the only other time I might have voted was during the vote for Dunwoody to become a City)."

I think the overwhelming bulk of faithful Christians and Jews vote GOP now. The fake JINOs, Cafeteria Catholics (CINOs), and the anti-Christian SJWs (who have taken over countless Christian sects) are obviously going to vote Communist-Democrat.

"No kidding, and it’s been that way since at the very least when Earl Warren was put on the Supreme Court, arguably even before that when FDR threatened to pack the court."

I think Chief Justice Marshall set the standard for judicial tyranny with Marbury v. Madison.

"I wish I could believe you regarding education in itself not being the problem. Really, I do. Unfortunately, after the likes of Voltaire and Diderot managed to take over the French Academy and basically used that to basically indoctrinate loads of literate people in France down to and including the peasant class into thinking Christians were bad, leading directly to the French Revolution (this part you can read about from Timothy Dwight’s 1799 speech to the Yale Graduates of Independence Day of that year recapping how the French Revolution happened), heck, Jean-Jacques Rousseau practically FOUNDING Education, or at least what we know of it today via his Emile book, I definitely have to blame Education itself for it. Based on my experiences, heck, even doing some independent research that had me learning that Rousseau and Voltaire are effectively responsible for the sorry state of education right now, if not responsible for education itself, it’s better off just being destroyed, reduced to rubble, not even BOTHER fixing it (besides, the leftist radicals also claimed to be working to fix education back during the 1960s, and they invariably made it worse). By keeping it, we have brainwashing and indoctrination. Is it bleak, yes, but unfortunately, it is what it is. One article has even implied that this rot has been going on since the 19th century. Here, read for yourself: https://www.theblaze.com/contributions/why-liberals-think-being-educated-means-being-liberal"

It's WHAT is taught that is the issue and WHO is teaching it. If you're using it for indoctrination purposes, it is evil. Smashing the entire system to pieces and not bothering to replace it is just as bad. You neither want an ignorant populace or a brainwashed one. I believe we need a total overhaul of how we educate children. A one-size fits all approach that the corrupt teachers unions support is not working. Each child should have an education tailor-made for his/her needs. I was above average as a youngster and could read before Kindergarten, but I was placed in a subpar sausage factory (public ed) that dumbed me down, kept me disinterested and bored and ultimately crushed my spirit and put me in harm's way. In many ways, I had to teach myself and try to separate fact from fiction. Public ed taught me that it is everything that is done wrong, and it is kept that way on purpose.

"Sometimes I wonder if that is the case, that he’s not controlling. As far as I can tell, God’s essentially a combination of the Patriots from MGS2 (https://youtu.be/eKl6WjfDqYA; https://youtu.be/mrVThXFnE1s ), the Architect from The Matrix Reloaded (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dij287EZT50 ), and Kefka from Final Fantasy VI. Have to think that way since he’s omnipotent and omniscient, not to mention omnipresent, meaning he can’t be stupid, weak, or anything like that. Even if it’s a bleak view of God, it’s still what I think of as God, especially after Raiders of the Lost Ark."

Well, we're never going to be able to fully comprehend who He is. That's above our proverbial pay grade. We can only try to follow what He wants for us and trust it's the best thing for us.

"Then we need to find a way to ensure the states DON’T retain those abortion laws. For goodness sakes, the Founding Fathers actually had state laws that banned pornographic material before Earl Warren with his Memoirs v. Massachusetts ruling pretty much gutted those laws."

Too many people support those laws in those states. Even in the Dakotas, I forgot which one, they tried to enact a law to outlaw all abortions and it didn't pass muster with the voters. Since only a small number would be performed under an exceptions clause, that's the best route to try to take. The left-wing state voters won't give it up for any circumstance (short of perhaps outlawing partial-birth, which is too ghoulish even for many Democrats). As for porno stuff, that genie is out of the bottle. As long as there is an interest in sex, that's going to be around.

"Darn shame what happened there. Then again, a lot of the leftist jerks who did the student protests and all of that definitely had the golden sunshine gradually removed (heck, Governor Brown during the 1960s literally let riots occur non-stop at Los Angeles and clearly let them spread to other places), so while Arnold may not have been responsible for losing its sunshine, he certainly didn’t help restore it."

Yeah, it was headed downhill under Pat Brown, though he couldn't extinguish it entirely. Sadly, thanks to Ike and his national demolition of the GOP in 1958, it made the election of Pat Brown possible when GOP Senate Minority Leader Bill Knowland and Gov. Goodwin Knight tried to switch jobs. It enabled the capture of the state by Democrats who effectively disenfranchised the GOP voting majority and they never recovered from that (not even Reagan was able to do so).

115 posted on 11/02/2018 1:34:31 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj ("It's Slappin' Time !")
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