Posted on 05/19/2018 6:53:58 PM PDT by Trump20162020
The 17-year-old suspect in Friday's shooting at a Texas high school killed a classmate who turned down his repeated advances, killing her first in his deadly rampage that also killed nine others, according to the girl's mother.
Student Shana Fisher's mother told the LA Times that junior Dimitrios Pagourtzis gave her daughter "4 months of problems" before Fisher rejected him publicly in front of classmates.
"A week later he opens fire on everyone he didn't like," she wrote to the newspaper. "Shana being the first one."
(Excerpt) Read more at thehill.com ...
Lol, well, thanks for the help, anyway.
“Cherry wasn’t ‘bewailing’ the ‘war on boys,’ she was mocking the concept that it even exists.”
The correct way to ascertain whether your interpretation is correct is to ask.
That thought did not enter my head when I read her post.
I took it as sarcasm against the idea that this shooting spree or the suggested causality of the shooter’s experience of unrequited love (or lust as the case may be) exemplifies a war on boys.
The Satanic and also leftist ideology on gender / sexuality and race / nationality / language is rooted in a rage against God fueled by self-loathing and self rejection.
Sometimes this manifests itself in attacking normal masculine behavior such as the interest in the opposite sex. Sometimes it manifests as a distorted caricature of masculinity that tolerates the abuse of girls and women using excuses like “boys will be boys.”
We have no way of knowing all of the circumstances revolving around the previous interactions between the killer and the girl. What is now very clear is that any instincts a girl might have had against dating this boy have proven correct. If he is capable of these acts, he is certainly not the kind of guy you would want your sister or daughter to get involved with.
Bottom line, girls do not have an obligation to return the affections of every admirer or interested person. And even if a girl is hateful and abusive, it is no justification for murder. Most people have experienced heartbreak. And normal people do not have the instinct to kill anyone we once had a romantic interest in.
What a wall of text. And you still cant dispute my original point. Here I will repeat it, just to make the snowflakes here cry a bit more.
These guys need to be told early on that there is nothing special about these girls. That they will grow old and wrinkled, and wont be these perfect angels you put on a pedestal, and that you should work on yourself so that one day they will see you living at the peak of your life, and that is the best way to show them you were the better person in the end.
Let them turn you down! And let your life shove it back at them because no one approval is worth ruining their, and your life for if you dont get it.
If the FR feminists, and their white-knight simps dont like it then they can all go F themselves, because your BS approach is just to sit around, ridicule some kid on the edge (because it fluffs up your ego), and watch as more people needlessly die.
But yeah, I said women grow old and less attractive, so I’m the real evil.
Now take that wall of text and bring those people back with it.
What’s that? You cant?
Well then!
Well, you got it wrong. And recognizing cause and effect at the societal level does not equal “justification,” even in the sloppiest use of the word.
I’m guessing that you are playing for the other team, if you get my drift. Women who have actual relationship experience with men do not fantasize that partner homicides occur in the vacuous relationship of a women sending the breakup text and her rejected lover running over and shooting her. Or, maybe just too much TV for you.
“Well, you got it wrong.”
Everything about your post is wrong. Starting with your inability to be even remotely specific.
Your post is worthless because not posting anything at all would be a major improvement.
Forums are intended for discussion, not bloviating to hear yourself.
So even if your attitude is indicative that any wise counsel will likely fall on deaf ears I’ll still suggest for the record that in a conversation it is beneficial to have something worthwhile and hopefully even interesting to say. It makes it so much more pleasant for the listener.
You provided not one shred of evidence to support your interpretation of cherry’s statement. You are claiming that cherry holds the position that there is no war against boys. So I’ll attribute that assumption to a claim of clairvoyant abilities on your part since sans evidence or a statement from cherry to the contrary, that’s all you’ve got. But your confidence in your clairvoyant abilities is enough to declare someone else got it wrong.
I’ve read her make that same statement in numerous previous posts. She’s rather well known here for that opinion, and her frequency in expressing it. If that’s not enough for you, I really don’t care. I have no interest in convincing you of anything.
“Men” in general don’t turn violent in reaction to being rejected. Very few men or women do that.
Many men and women are arrested from domestic disturbances but not often having to do with rejection. And nearly all of them are on drugs and are often drunk when arrested.
Cases like that of Dimitrios Pagourtzis are rather special and more unusual. During the ‘90s, fathers warned us about the spoiled rotten super predators we’re seeing now.
I think that respect starts in the traditional home/family.
I don’t have a TV. The Bureau of Justice statistics speak for themselves: men sometimes lash out with violence when they are rejected. This has always been true. I have no idea what you are trying to say... perhaps self-expression is not your strong point.
Men in general don’t, no. I wasn’t saying they did. I was saying that there have always been a percentage who will, and that this is not a new development.
Murder is mostly a very messy business. Every now and then some wacko will hold his girlfriend hostage in the house or shoot her at her place of employment. Front page news. But in the other 99% of the cases, there is a mess of mutual combat, he said, she said, third party actors, and coincidence. None of it is in the statistic that reports that murder.
“What a wall of text.”
Nothing redundant or inaccurate in it. I’m amazed at people who participate in a forum and find it troublesome to read more than a paragraph of two. It really shouldn’t be that difficult for an educated person. Of course, none of this applies if the person complaining is here just to listen to himself talk.
“And you still cant dispute my original point.”
I did not respond to your original post. You had the opportunity to clarify your meaning to cherry earlier, but instead you resorted to accusations and name calling.
“just to make the snowflakes here cry a bit more. These guys need to be told early on that there is nothing special about these girls.”
Which is it? Are people unique creations of God or nothing special?
What boys need to be taught is to treat all people with respect and to show traditional chivalry and politeness to the opposite sex, even for the ones who have not been taught proper manners and character.
“That they will grow old and wrinkled, and wont be these perfect angels you put on a pedestal, and that you should work on yourself so that one day they will see you living at the peak of your life, and that is the best way to show them you were the better person in the end.”
How about teaching them that a female is not merely valuable because of her outward appearance in the first place? It’s not that important if she (or we all) will some day grow old and ugly.
How about the idea that females do not merely exist to fulfill the pornographic fantasies of poorly-groomed men?
“If the FR feminists, and their white-knight simps dont like it then they can all go F themselves, because your BS approach is just to sit around, ridicule some kid on the edge (because it fluffs up your ego), and watch as more people needlessly die.”
You should consult a doctor about adjusting your medication. Your paranoid delusions are acting up. No one on this forum is pushing the liberalism / feminism you claim. Nor is anyone here trying to boost their ego by ridiculing “some kid on the edge” unless you are talking about gun-control Hogg and his ilk. The teenage serial killer under discussion here is not “some kid on the edge”. He’s gone way over the edge and off the deep end.
“But yeah, I said women grow old and less attractive, so I’m the real evil.”
You’re being redundant. See above.
“Now take that wall of text and bring those people back with it.”
There you go again. Don’t like reading or thinking, huh?
And what kind of insane argument is it to demand that persuasive speech must carry with it the power to raise the dead?
Get a grip, man. It was your choice to go down this rabbit trail by your reactionary responses.
“I’ve read her make that same statement in numerous previous posts. She’s rather well known here for that opinion, and her frequency in expressing it. If that’s not enough for you, I really don’t care. I have no interest in convincing you of anything.”
You have an incredible ability to draw conclusions from some sort of inverted and contorted logic.
First, if you did not care to persuade then why post at all?
Second, this is twice now that you have criticized me for misinterpreting cherry’s comments. And both times it is after presenting ZERO EVIDENCE.
Third, you now post an assertion of cherry making these statements repeatedly as evidence you wish to present after-the-fact to make your case. Only you’ve taken multiple posts to work your way up to this, and yet you still don’t bother to provide a single example or link to a post.
Fourth, it’s all about context. When we are discussing a teenage boy who apparently went crazy over unreturned affection and turned into a serial killer, I think placing any blame on the girl is not merely poor taste, it’s downright disgusting. In context, the societal attack on masculinity is no excuse to tolerate a distorted version of masculinity, as I’ve already pointed out.
I won’t disagree with that. Of course there are some men who feel entitled to physically attack women for rejecting them. I’ve opined that such monsters are spoiled from childhood and refuse to consider consequences (criminality). At least some of them have each had a parent who enforced their abuses against others.
Sorry for the misunderstanding. I never experienced any strong emotion about being rejected for a date or continued, casual dating. There were also “plenty of fish in the sea,” and each had their perceptions and preferences. Can’t imagine any benefit from spending time with someone who doesn’t enjoy the company.
I did say no to sex with more than a few, though. Getting very intimate with acquaintances we don’t know very well can lead to serious troubles. Reminds me of an old, short film, where a man accepted a ride from an attractive woman he didn’t know. She either undressed somewhat or was already in her underwear (can’t remember which). Anyway, for no apparent reason, she drove them off of a shelf road and into a horrible crash. ;-)
Yes, that's called a woman fighting for her life. If he is killing her because she rejected him or left him, I don't understand you trying to somehow spread the blame to her.
Its because I have heard the actual facts. In interview rooms, hearing rooms and trials. And it is almost never how you think it is. Women want to think it is their rejection alone that “breaks his heart.”
You just don’t know how messy it is.
Tell you what: Make a list of all of the nasty evil combative deceitful things two people can do to each other. Then write come anecdotes, like:
“she slapped him in the face in front of the kids” or
“She let’s the new boyfriend beat his son” or
“the daughter may be being abused” or
“she got him fired (arrested) by lying about spousal abuse”
or
“she’s a drunken slut” or
“her new BF beat the Hell out of him”
Then assume most of those apply when it comes to a death. Because they do.
Whatever the details may be, in the end, “she tried to leave and he killed her” or “she rejected him and he killed her” is a story that pre-dates feminism.
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