[DoodleBob]

I did the math elsewhere....if you ditched the rail project and the State of California gave a 100% subsidy on round-trip airfare from SAN Fran to LAX it would STILL be cheaper.

[Seaplaner]

The entire Cali bullet train has been sold on the backs of some truly Gobbelsian uber-lies.

Ridership, for instance, is projected between (cough-cough) 25 and 95 million peeps per year. If ever built (it won't) ridership could never, ever reach 1/100th of the lower estimate. Consider the following realities...

1. Few people live/work near both stations, meaning taxi or car rental at one or both ends of the trip. High speed? Ha!

2. It is reasonable to anticipate TSA or similar security, meaning arrive early at the station. Hi speed? Ha!

3. Since the choo choo could never, ever be remotely self-sustaining, ticket prices will cost more than airline tickets, unless the state underwrites most of the fair. Pay for itself? Never!

4. I used to live in the once-golden-state, and I have many friends and acquaintances of the liberal persuasion. None of them, zero, has ever said that they were looking forward to riding the train. (Who would pay more to spend more time in travel to likely inconvenient locations?)

This train is really intended to fleece the astonishingly gullible voters who don't seem to mind that the only stops it will make are in Graftville and Frauduland; and, the project should actually be re-named...

The FAST SHUFFLE.

[cgbg]

They should take half the money and give it to me.

I will do nothing with it—promise—and they will have saved half their money!

[Yaelle]

did the math elsewhere....if you ditched the rail project and the State of California gave a 100% subsidy on round-trip airfare from SAN Fran to LAX it would STILL be cheaper.

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See, I believe this. And travel time including in the airport is around 2 hours at worst. 5-7 hours for the high speed train as you need to get outside of both cities to get on, then it won’t be high speed.