"You're bweaking my bawls, Hans, you're bweaking my bawls!"
Posted on 04/27/2018 4:38:20 AM PDT by deks
The leaders of North and South Korea signed a historic declaration Friday pledging "no more war" and a common goal of "complete denuclearization" on the Korean Peninsula.
The countries, which technically remain in a state of war, heralded the deal as part of "a new era of peace" after a historic summit.
North Korea's Kim Jong Un and South Korean President Moon Jae-in also vowed to "cease all hostile acts" and to "transform the Demilitarized Zone into a peace zone." The two leaders embraced, and Moon said he would visit Pyongyang in the fall.
(Excerpt) Read more at nbcnews.com ...
What a silly reply. I’ve only posted to you once ever.
You're forgetting something that Rocket Man surely hasn't...the United States recently came under new management.
And as for "366(?)"....think for a minute.
Sticks and stones
....”Kim is being set up to be left alone at the negotiating table when Trump walks away”....
How about enlarging on how it’s going to play out should that be so ...I’m interested in you’re opinion..
CW
They saw your future screen name and decided to settle
Everyone who is pro-Trump thinks the whole story is about Trump, so when you throw any skepticism on their parade of cheers - about Trump, they quickly ignore that the real story is about the regime in North Korea, it’s fundamental nature and mission it gives itself - domination of the Korean peninsula by one means or another - and how EVERY move by the west has pretended that North Korea is no different than any other country, and given the right “incentives” will change. Like I tell folks, it will not take war, but North Korea will change, when it implodes.
I truly think Trump was wrong to agree to the negotiations. The sanctions should have remained in place until China and South Korea had no choice but to deal with an imploded North Korea. If Trump is to prove himself as a great negotiator, that’s where he will leave conditions. He should demand - no, we have nothing to offer until international inspections declare your nuclear ambitions dead; promises mean nothing, we have to have verifiable results or we can’t change the status quo, including all the sanctions. Then we wait, and like the Soviets and East Germany North Korea implodes. Anything else will just make Trump a big hero - in North Korea, for having saved it’s existence to go on being the brutal regime it is.
....”We have had detailed threads on FR for nearly 20 years about the long, unmovable reality of NK and the Kim Regime (still in power) and suddenly everyone is on the threads with a bovine tendency to believe there is substance behind all the staged optics and imagery”.....
I don’t think it’s so much the ‘show’ we’re watching....rather that people here understand Trump doesn’t operate as past administrations.... and he’s STILL holding the cards at this juncture. Also Trump and Xi’s relationship is at a very different level than with former past Presidents.
I agree Kim likely will not change how he runs his nation....but he does want to remain in power and I think they’re going to let him do so with rope around his neck by China.
In my experience, for Koreans, a written contract is the beginning of negotiations for both consideration and what is to be done.
If Trump senses that Kim is attempting to play a new version of an old game, Trump will reach the conclusion that there is no reason to play.
But, all that seems to me to be window dressing, the stage set. I have come to believe that the meeting will be to solidify and make public agreements already reached. There is much more at issue than just President Trump
That more is not only South korea, but more importantly China.
President Trump mentions in strongly favorable terms Xi of China. Xi and Trump working to common purposes have forced Kim into a deal. Kim was given some version of Life or Death, your choice.
Kim went to China and got the message. He was forced to admit serious facts about the catastrophe at his nuclear test site mountain. Kim is in big time trouble. The precise facts have not been released, but events as we know them clearly indicate Kim was in a completely untenable position.
There is talk of a Noble prize for Trump. When actually awarded, the prize will be jointly awarded to Trump and Xi
Reality might change. No change is evident right now, but the war may end which is a start. Then the norks might liberalize and allow reunification. Tha's a stretch since that's the end of the line for Kim, and military surrounding him. I'm sure Pompeo reminded Kim of the ways that change is possible wihout using Trump's bigger button that actually works.
Pompeo probably reminded him of some of the ways that the nuclear program can go wrong. Pompeo undoubtedly reminded him that Iran is not going to be an enabler anymore. Most importantly Ping is looking for trade deals that are no lionger automatically granted by pushover US administrations.
Seek help
Trump knows that. The question is whether he will be talked into a quick political "victory" for 2018. Remember though, that the international inspections regime does not require an imploded NK. You have been conflating the two.
I’ve long thought that China would be okay with having North Korea re-unified with the south under a southern government so long as the US backed China on reclaiming Taiwan. Hong Kong was the big test to show that China could reclaim a Western colony without breaking any eggs.
“Trump knows that. The question is whether he will be talked into a quick political “victory” for 2018. Remember though, that the international inspections regime does not require an imploded NK. You have been conflating the two.”
No. I am going on the educated guess that the North will not accept having it’s nuclear program put under an international inspection regime that is not, like the one with Iran, filled with enough holes to drive a missile through. And I don’t expect Bolton to guide Trump to such a deal, and therefor I don’t expect North Korea to accept what we would demand with an international inspection regime. At best, it is on the table all this year but by November has not been resolved, as I don’t think it can be unless it is a bad deal for us and South Korea. Therefor, after November and between that an 2020 we will get back to the sanctions regime method. That is what Bolton would have done with Iran. That is why he is hayed on the Left so much. What Obama did, all he really did, was rescue Iran financially. It’s really a crime. It was getting ripe for an implosion, until Obama decided to rescue the Mullahs of Tehran.
Look in the mirror.
I have not believed the US would fight over Taiwan for at least 30 years.
And, I believe, the people of ROK would be more socialist and more anti-American if DPRK didn’t exist.
So, I think the best outcome (not necessarily the most likely) is Korean unification to a non-aligned, nuke-free Chinese semi-satellite.
This will of course allow the Japan-China question to resurface, just as the Turkish-Arab question and the Western Ukraine-Austria questions are resurfacing.
There is really nothing new under the sun.
Every day.
That's fine, so just say that you want regime implosion, period. That's fine with me too, but I realize China does not want that and it's a roll of the dice as to what comes next. That's just one of the reasons sanctions are not going to be as effective as they were with Iran.
The question I have is whether there is any way to get useful inspections but let the Kim regime survive. Because all I care about is the nukes. I really don't give a fig about the people of NK. You seem to care. I don't.
"You're bweaking my bawls, Hans, you're bweaking my bawls!"
It’s not so much the people of NK I care about, though who cannot sympathize with them for the brutality they have captured within.
That aside, it is the people of South Korea I do care about and yes my concern for them goes beyond the Nukes.
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