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To: Cronos
"-- the descendents of Lydia intermarried with Greeks, Persians, Romans, Slavs, Germanics etc. etc."

Yes, and migrated to countries around the world to various extents since the years of the intermittent Roman Empire.

"you can say they are Turkey,"

Some in and from Turkey. I forget, sometimes, that perspectives of the Prophets who mentioned the attack against Jerusalem were perspectives of the times of the Greek/Macedonian and Roman empires. Their references to times long before those periods makes it even more difficult to tell others about a study--especially in impromptu social media comments.

"but if you mean the genes of the Lydians, then those genes flow in every Western nation today as well as among most Middle Easterners"

Yes. I simplified far too much, but that is the way with readers and commentaries in social media. The Bible speaks of not only a consolidating, slow military movement from the north towards Israel but also civil war in the nations around the world.

One difficulty that many have had when trying to discuss these matters is that of their belief in having some sort of pure race in each, their own respective country. No country has a pure, original race except for that of the human race.

There have been some interesting finds in contemporary DNA databases, by the way--worth looking into. Before long, we might see maps of the historical migrations of mankind.


21 posted on 04/17/2018 11:56:00 AM PDT by familyop ("Welcome to Costco. I love you." - -Costco greeter in the movie, "Idiocracy")
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To: familyop
Yes, and migrated to countries around the world to various extents since the years of the intermittent Roman Empire. -- I don't understand, "intermittent" = stopping and ceasing at points in time.

it's been nearly 3000 years since the formation of the state of Lydia - more than enough time for the genes of Lydians to have spread across all of the West + the Middle East and maybe among some other peoples

I forget, sometimes, that perspectives of the Prophets who mentioned the attack against Jerusalem were perspectives of the times of the Greek/Macedonian and Roman empires. Their references to times long before those periods makes it even more difficult to tell others about a study--especially in impromptu social media comments. -- the Old Testament refers to "societal memories" - Gog of Lydia (Gyges) was prominent during the time of the Israeli kingdom, and he was a strong force, which is why his name is preserved

Ditto with Nimrod i.e. Sargon of Assad - the creator of the first Empire, even if it was ephemeral, his memory is preserved

Similarly, in Iran, Alexander's memory was preserved as a ram-headed demon

Before long, we might see maps of the historical migrations of mankind.

There are such maps, let me find them for you -- the best studied is the Indo-European group as it was comparatively recent - look up studies on haplogroup R1b which is strewn from Northern india to Ireland

Also the Indo-Europeans merged with different other peoples in their 4000 year history -- the ones in india and Iran merged with the Sumerian-Elamite-Dravidian peoples, the ones in Grece with the Pelasgians, the ones inAnatolia with hurrians (Georgians, north caucasus etc.), the ones in Western europe with relatives of georgians/basques etc. and also Indo-europeans have about 2% neanderthal blood, while East asians have about 3% (sub-Saharan Africans don't)

Or you can find genetic studies abotu the Andaman islanders (who were in the Andamans 40,000 years ago) and their relationship with the Papua new Guineans and the Australian Aborigines

And one migration that is both far news (only in the past 2000 years) and the most wide-spread is the spread of Austronesian langauges (malayo-polynesian) from Madagascar to Christmas Island - these people speak the same sub-branch of the Austronesian language!

25 posted on 04/17/2018 11:44:25 PM PDT by Cronos (Obama's dislike of Assad is not based on his brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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