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‘I’m Not a Criminal, But I’m Going to Prison for Owning a Legal Handgun in New York’
Dangerous ^ | 04/10/08 | Pawl Bazile

Posted on 04/10/2018 8:20:47 AM PDT by Simon Green

“Do you understand what it means when you have absolutely nowhere to turn?” ― Fyodor Dostoyevsky, Crime and Punishment

Clark Camp is a slight, mild-mannered blond who has spent recent weeks preparing to be locked away in a New York state prison for the next two years.

The 29-year-old Hawaii native faces a second degree weapons possession charge, a crime that carries a mandatory five-year sentence in New York, yet Camp’s lawyer, almost miraculously, managed to have that reduced to two. Camp has no criminal record and no prior arrests.

His life changed one night in 2016. He was living in San Diego and on his way home decided to stop into a bar down the street for a nightcap. He made eyes with a girl and they struck up conversation.

“We shared a plate of nachos, some drinks, and some laughs,” Camp recalls.

A whirlwind romance ensued over the next few days. Camp, who has never had much luck with women, fell madly in love. A few days later the two set off for an overnight trip to Mexico and rented a beachside Airbnb in Baja. As she prepared to return home to Brooklyn, and their affair drew to a close, the two found themselves unable to part. The woman suggested they take a road trip back to New York and perhaps Camp ought to just stay and live with her.

He would do just that, packing a few bags and heading cross-country in April 2016. But early on there were signs that she perhaps suffered from emotional issues. And one year later, Camp came back to their apartment to find his girlfriend naked on the sofa with another man. A heated argument broke out.

In a small compartment behind the seat of his ’85 Chevrolet El Camino, Camp stored a Hi-point .45 pistol he bought legally in Ohio for $140 and that he kept locked away in a safe. When the officers found the weapon, Camp was arrested and charged with a Class C Felony.

His girlfriend had a far-left stance on guns. She said it frightened her to have one in their apartment and so Camp kept it locked safely away in the car to appease her, he explained.

“I just wanted to leave,” Camp recalled to DANGEROUS.

It was too late. The noise from the shouting attracted the attention of neighbors, who called the police. Officers interviewed Camp’s girlfriend who told them, out of spite, he says, about a weapon he had in his car.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; US: New York
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To: ClearCase_guy

All time classic!


61 posted on 04/10/2018 11:50:02 AM PDT by shotgun
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To: rlmorel
People should have the right everywhere in the union, without having to worry about this.

But Scalia said the right to keep and bare arms was not unlimited. He also said burning a flag was speech when he should have said it was inciting to riot, but he didn't.

62 posted on 04/10/2018 11:50:14 AM PDT by itsahoot (Welcome to the New USA where Islam is a religion of peace and Christianity is a mental disorder.)
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To: Celerity
"...Even what you two have said is borderline capitulation - You have shrunk down and accepted that this sort of outcome has reason..."

I don't think it is that at all. I view it as simply reality and I have to deal with it.

Traveling alone and unarmed in a majority muslim country is dangerous. That is not rational at all, but it is reality, and we have to face reality even if it is irrational.

Not like the guy who wanted to go hiking in Iran and got taken in and thrown in jail for years. Crazy people like him (liberals) think that we should all live in peace, and because he thought that was the way things SHOULD be, he was simply going to ignore the reality.

This poor guy just made a dumb mistake.

63 posted on 04/10/2018 12:14:32 PM PDT by rlmorel (Leftists: They believe in the "Invisible Hand" only when it is guided by government.)
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To: jonascord

That really is the take away from this story. He had become a resident of New York if I read the article correctly. At that point he is clearly in violation of their law, whether one agrees with it or not. I’m also curious how he bought the gun “legally” in Ohio, as that state isn’t mentioned in the travels with the nutjob.


64 posted on 04/10/2018 12:16:33 PM PDT by cbvanb
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To: DoodleDawg

Were it only so simple...

I know a lot of folks (not necessarily you, DoodleDawg) think that a line on a map is going to stop the flow of Leftism, and I don’t think it will. It is like a cancer that will spread insidiously.

Heck, even the red states I look up to in things like this (such as Texas and Georgia) have their share of loony leftist gun-grabbers. Damn leftists, they suck, and are like water seeping through a dam.

WE have to run around night and day, patching up cracks and holes and generally shoring things up, but all they do is sit there and bide their time, hoping the weight of inert water over time overcomes resistance. When we look at how society is now, and how it was even 40 years ago, I think they may be right.

They get a little tiny hole seeping their leftism, they almost never give it back once they get a foothold. I find it infuriating. But I think we shouldn’t surrender those places to them (even figuratively) such as California, Massachusetts and New York.

Just my opinion.


65 posted on 04/10/2018 12:23:28 PM PDT by rlmorel (Leftists: They believe in the "Invisible Hand" only when it is guided by government.)
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To: itsahoot

I tend to bow to Scalia on a lot of things because I respected him so much.

The blanket right to keep and bear arms likely does have a limit, so I don’t necessarily think he is wrong there.

I always like to find extremes that few people will argue on, so I can stake out a length of philosophical line, then the brass tacks of where on the length of that line a cleavage point between “yes” and “no” becomes the focus of arguments.

Most people would agree that a violent, unstable schizophrenic who murdered a family of six should not have weapons, so there is a limit at that end.

Our problem is that people on the Left think that rational, law-abiding people shouldn’t own guns either. So, in any discussion with them, we cannot get them to agree even on the length of that philosophical line on the other end.


66 posted on 04/10/2018 12:29:52 PM PDT by rlmorel (Leftists: They believe in the "Invisible Hand" only when it is guided by government.)
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To: DownInFlames

“Sadly NY has migrated to me. They are all mad as hens. Will blow up at you for the smallest item. “

Last week I was on LI for a funeral. Some Pr*ck kept trying to block me getting on the Belt Pkway, but I called his bluff and he finally backed off. What an ahole.


67 posted on 04/10/2018 12:58:16 PM PDT by Brooklyn Attitude (The first step in ending the war on white people is to recognize it exists.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

Naturally not any derivative sense of “Yankee”.


68 posted on 04/10/2018 2:26:44 PM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: rlmorel
Most people would agree that a violent, unstable schizophrenic who murdered a family of six should not have weapons, so there is a limit at that end.

That is only an issue if you think he should be free and alive rather than dead or in jail.

He was dead wrong on the flag issue and I can find nothing good in the decision. Otherwise he was very good on protecting he Constitution. You might have noticed that a minority of people in this country would agree that Scalia was a good Justice and that is a sad thing.

69 posted on 04/10/2018 2:43:03 PM PDT by itsahoot (Welcome to the New USA where Islam is a religion of peace and Christianity is a mental disorder.)
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To: rlmorel

Alright, I can see that. Thanks !


70 posted on 04/10/2018 3:30:57 PM PDT by Celerity
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To: jonascord; rlmorel

Oh, and thank you for the great debate. I appreciate it !


71 posted on 04/10/2018 3:31:30 PM PDT by Celerity
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To: itsahoot

I agree...that is a sad thing. The man was brilliant. I think Justice Alito is his heir apparent.

Yes. But we see how mental issues are handled now. It is considered to be some kind of affront to their Constitutional rights to institutionalize them...and some people really are mentally ill and need to be institutionalized.

Another legacy of the Left.


72 posted on 04/10/2018 4:15:04 PM PDT by rlmorel (Leftists: They believe in the "Invisible Hand" only when it is guided by government.)
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To: Celerity

And same to you, Celerity.

Honestly, I am glad we can discuss this issue. It is so emotionally charged that some people can’t even discuss it without becoming extremely angry.

With what I see going on right now in the Government, I am having trouble engaging in angry discourse with fellow conservatives.

I am very discouraged today. I believe we are very close to major Constitutional crisis with this unbelievable debacle of the ginned up “collusion” crap.


73 posted on 04/10/2018 4:20:13 PM PDT by rlmorel (Leftists: They believe in the "Invisible Hand" only when it is guided by government.)
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To: Celerity

Speaking of CT. . . . .

There is a Pro-gun rally in Hartford this Saturday.

Supposedly in CT there are at least 250,000 licensed handgun owners. You think they are more activist because of the difficulties in obtaining said LTC, and they would vote in unison to help stamp out the leftists. IMHO, my observations and conversations indicate a lot of these people are apathetic and don’t vote because they believe it won’t make a difference.


74 posted on 04/10/2018 5:25:29 PM PDT by kickstart ("A gun is a tool. It is only as good or as bad as the man who uses it" . Alan Ladd in 'Shane')
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To: kickstart

Being an Ex-CT Resident I can tell you this... they (we, whatever) were too busy working to pay our outlandish bills to be able to keep up with this stuff.

I lived in a veritable slum with a $2000/month mortgage. No one in CT can do anything because they are too busy working. All we did was drink for fun.

People throughout the NEUS don’t go anywhere or do anything because there is simply no margins every month. It’s sad, but that’s the start of the problem with New England.

The other handgun owners that I was surrounded by were the “’but’ conservatives” which I described earlier. CT had one patriot - John Cinque. The rest were always using the “but” word when talking about the topic.

Not John.


75 posted on 04/10/2018 7:39:20 PM PDT by Celerity
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To: JimRed

I live in Florida. I have stopped traveling in the north east.
Been there, done it and not interested.


76 posted on 04/11/2018 3:19:59 AM PDT by Joe Boucher (Criminals at F.B.I., Justice Dept, I.R.S and No one taken out in cuffs? Federal gub mint is crappola)
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To: DoodleDawg
I'm sure the NRA is fighting the battles they think they can win.

Why do they not heavily publicize those which they ARE fighting? You can't garner public support for a cause if the public is not aware of it!

77 posted on 04/11/2018 6:32:04 AM PDT by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: itsahoot
He also said burning a flag was speech when he should have said it was inciting to riot, but he didn't.

Think about it. Though we dislike or even hate the sentiment behind the flag burning and the individuals who do so, we have sufficient self-control to not riot in response. It is only incitement to those looking for an excuse to riot anyway.

I do wonder, though, if I were to express my "speech" by burning a homosexual rainbow flag, a Planned Parenthood banner or an ISIS flag if it would be treated the same as leftist morons burning Old Glory.

78 posted on 04/11/2018 6:44:31 AM PDT by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: Joe Boucher

Since my youth I have been led to believe that Florida is God’s waiting room. Old folks go there to die!

;^)


79 posted on 04/11/2018 6:47:33 AM PDT by JimRed ( TERM LIMITS, NOW! Build the Wall Faster! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH.)
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To: JimRed
Though we dislike or even hate the sentiment behind the flag burning and the individuals who do so, we have sufficient self-control to not riot in response. It is only incitement to those looking for an excuse to riot anyway.

Maybe he should have used the same standard for the 2A then. I personally find burning or desecrating the flag very offensive and don't respect people that don't think it is. Why are conservatives the only ones that are required to practice restraint?

80 posted on 04/11/2018 6:59:36 AM PDT by itsahoot (Welcome to the New USA where Islam is a religion of peace and Christianity is a mental disorder.)
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