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Trump's 'Southern Border WALL' Construction Photos Aren't Quite What He Claims
Independent Journal Review ^ | MAR 29, 2018 | JOSH BILLINSON

Posted on 03/30/2018 11:39:45 AM PDT by NobleFree

President Donald Trump took to Twitter on Wednesday to announce the start of construction his proposed wall on the U.S. southern border — but that's not exactly what happened.

“Great briefing this afternoon on the start of our Southern Border WALL!” Trump tweeted, sharing pictures of work being done in Calexico, California.

Great briefing this afternoon on the start of our Southern Border WALL! pic.twitter.com/pmCNoxxlkH

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 28, 2018

[...] The project to replace dilapidated fencing in Calexico began in 2009, the LA Times reported. [...]

A press release from U.S. Customs and Border Protection explains that construction on the fence replacement in Calexico began on February 21:

The area of the border wall replacement will be an approximately 2.25-mile section replaced with 30-foot high bollard style wall. The project covers an area from approximately the Calexico West Port of Entry extending westward beyond the Gran Plaza Outlets. The project also includes around 2.25 miles of all-weather roads.

CBP explains that the previous fencing in that spot “was built in the 1990s out of recycled scraps of metal and old landing mat,” and needed to be updated after repeated breaches led to frequent and expensive repairs. [...]

Furthermore, the segment pictured in Trump's tweet isn't really much of a wall at all, but a bollard fence similar to what already exists along parts of the border. During the presidential campaign, Trump lashed out at primary opponent Jeb Bush for suggesting that Trump would build a fence instead of a wall.

Jeb Bush just talked about my border proposal to build a “fence.” It's not a fence, Jeb, it's a WALL, and there's a BIG difference!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 25, 2015



TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: borderwall; buildthewall; wall
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To: jimtorr

Procurement has been going on for nearly a year. Prototypes have been built. The fence repair and replacement now occurring looks very like one of the prototypes

I don’t want fence repair, I want a wall where there is a fence and a wall everywhere else....


21 posted on 03/30/2018 12:37:42 PM PDT by Davy Crocket
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To: donna

I am my own person, which is why I was ‘huge’ for Trump when he first announced. But just as the truth led me to back him then, I am not going to gloss over the facts as I see them. If you think that is being used... well, thoughts are free.


22 posted on 03/30/2018 12:37:43 PM PDT by Lagmeister ( false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders Mark 13:22)
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To: donna
Everything Trump does is done big with positive and the best interpretation. It’s how he leads and gets things done.

In other words, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

23 posted on 03/30/2018 12:38:35 PM PDT by joesbucks
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To: JBW1949

I’ve always said that if the President tweeted tomorrow that the wall was finished and made from materials so advanced that no one could see them, then there would be about 30% of the population that would congratulate him for a job well done.


24 posted on 03/30/2018 12:41:15 PM PDT by joesbucks
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To: Davy Crocket

fence——wall. It’s all in what you want to believe.


25 posted on 03/30/2018 12:42:26 PM PDT by joesbucks
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To: joesbucks

26 posted on 03/30/2018 12:44:43 PM PDT by proust ("The rule is, jam tomorrow and jam yesterday, but never jam today.")
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To: joesbucks

You know every well what I mean. Trump doesn’t speak “politician-ese” or “legalese” or like the Bushes or any other snooty-nosed elite.

He’s not hiding the truth like they do; Trump is talking optimistically like a builder does.

Do you yearn for Jeb?


27 posted on 03/30/2018 12:47:12 PM PDT by donna (Duisburg, Germany: 80 men brawl with MACHETES (Turks, Lebanese and Kurds)
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To: Davy Crocket

And Congressvermin are the only reason an actual wall with sufficient funding is not taking place.

BTW Israel has fences and the work, same in Hungary and IIRC Bulgaria.

A VERY tall fence, as in the photo, especially with concertina wire on the top, will do quite well. Plus in some places, it’s necessary to see through so the good guys on this side can see what the aholes on the other side are doing.


28 posted on 03/30/2018 12:49:27 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Half the truth is often a great lie. B. Franklin)
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To: Davy Crocket

I never expected different - I live in Arizona.

You want too many words from him. What you want is not possible.


29 posted on 03/30/2018 12:51:40 PM PDT by donna (Duisburg, Germany: 80 men brawl with MACHETES (Turks, Lebanese and Kurds)
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To: donna
It's puffery. Exaggeration. Not the truth.

I've long said if the President said tomorrow the wall was finished and made from materials so advanced that no one could see them, about 30% of America would agree and brag about his accomplishment.

30 posted on 03/30/2018 12:52:01 PM PDT by joesbucks
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To: Lagmeister

I think it is worthless - no help in any way.


31 posted on 03/30/2018 12:52:51 PM PDT by donna (Duisburg, Germany: 80 men brawl with MACHETES (Turks, Lebanese and Kurds)
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To: proust

Kind of like that budget bill he signed. Believe what you will.


32 posted on 03/30/2018 12:53:22 PM PDT by joesbucks
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To: joesbucks

You got anyone else to pay attention to?


33 posted on 03/30/2018 12:53:30 PM PDT by donna (Duisburg, Germany: 80 men brawl with MACHETES (Turks, Lebanese and Kurds)
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To: donna
1 a : a high thick masonry structure forming a long rampart or an enclosure chiefly for defense —often used in plural b : a masonry fence around a garden, park, or estate c : a structure that serves to hold back pressure (as of water or sliding earth) 2 : one of the sides of a room or building connecting floor and ceiling or foundation and roof 3 : the side of a footpath next to buildings 4 : an extreme or desperate position or a state of defeat, failure, or ruin ·the surrounded troops had their backs against the wall 5 : a material layer enclosing space ·the wall of a container ·heart walls 6 : something resembling a wall (as in appearance, function, or effect); especially : something that acts as a barrier or defense ·a wall of reserve ·tariff wall

6 is a stretch.

34 posted on 03/30/2018 12:56:09 PM PDT by joesbucks
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To: donna

No. You’re queen for the day.


35 posted on 03/30/2018 12:56:34 PM PDT by joesbucks
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To: chris37
"How many concurrent construction sites are there?"

Just this one at Calexico, CA is currently going. Twenty miles just West of El Paso, including the Santa Teresa Border Crossing, has had the contract awarded, so they should start construction in the next few weeks. Both of these project are estimated to complete in about a year from start.

Now that the new money has been released, contracting actions should be under way (not public, just among pre-approved vendors from last year's preparations) for more segments. Contracting could take anywhere from a few weeks to six months.

Fourteen miles of double barrier (14 x 2) was authorized in San Diego, but Trump may hold that up to pressure California politicians. Five miles goes to El Paso itself, and there is about twenty miles that I am unsure of (Santa Teresa?). The big effort in this group will be the Rio Grande Valley.

28 miles of levee wall with bollards in Hidalgo County, plus eight more in neighboring Starr County, will fill in the existing gaps to completely wall/fence off the McAllen Texas metro area (except for the Santa Ana Wildlife Reserve outside of town, which will take any flooding that occurs). It will be a big fortification of the Rio Grande Valley, where the most crossings occur.

When these projects get underway later this year there will likely be a half dozen or more crews working at once. There are still lots of variables, especially if Trump shifts the San Diego effort elsewhere.


36 posted on 03/30/2018 12:57:38 PM PDT by BeauBo
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To: donna; joesbucks

This guy is an anti-Trump troll, donna...

I found the other day he’s not worth the effort...He can talk to himself from now on...

Looking at his posting history, I went back over 2 months and found not a single positive comment about Trump...Everything negative...


37 posted on 03/30/2018 1:16:03 PM PDT by JBW1949 (I'm really PC....PATRIOTICALLY CORRECT!!!!)
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To: little jeremiah
When President Trump went to see the prototypes and talked to the Border folks/engineers, one take away was that a see through wall was the most beneficial.

Now you can call it anything you want...it's a wall, a barrier, a deterrent, a fence etc etc

We're looking for a result with benefits. And this see through wall/fence seems to fit the bill.

It's really common fence.

You have to consider President Trump and his whole life....building "solid" buildings. It's his language. Everyone seems to want to play "gotcha".

38 posted on 03/30/2018 1:37:47 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Reno89519

Post 36 has some status info on the project segments.

Contracting preparations have been going last year, to pre-approve vendors (capability, finances, past performance), define requirements and such. They generally don’t publish anything publicly until contracts are awarded, so we don’t see what is going on during solicitation, bid and evaluation.

Some segments may require a design phase, and then another round of bidding for construction (and possible protests), whereas other segments may have already been designed and have bids submitted, just awaiting funding. We won’t know till awards are made.

I would anticipate that they prepared some tasks for quick award, since the President of the United States was asking for status updates at every cabinet meeting... Construction typically starts 2-3 months after award.

In terms of design, the report from the prototyping phase did recommend that design features from the prototypes should be mixed as needed for different portions of the wall. Flood-prone areas need solid concrete bases (not just bollards), and so on. Overall, the Border Patrol strongly wants the see through bollards where ever possible. It seems that we are getting good patrol road and lighting with all new work as well. Camera and sensor features are hush hush.

The money authorized in the Omnibus specifically seeks to limit design to previously operationally proven designs, mentioning bollards and levee walls specifically as what they like. I believe that is what we will see, and it is damn fine, highly effective barrier, at thirty feet tall. Hopefully, they start adding some barrel top or concertina as well, but it might not even be needed.

Really all we need is money, but there is a natural ramping up process for all involved - contracting officers, vendors and suppliers. Something like 100 miles this year, two hundred next year, three hundred the next would be a very significant effort - especially compared to eight year dead stop under Obama. The Congressional vision is essentially a hundred miles ($1.6 billion) per year for ten years - a lot of time for them to back out of the commitment.

In truth, 300 miles of Trump style barrier in the urbanized areas would seriously impede illegal crossings, and 1,000 to 1,200 would make it more like an expedition than a border crossing. One of the best things about the Trump program, is that they are doing the most important/effective pieces first, rather than the easiest. Every bit they get done, will be well worth it.


39 posted on 03/30/2018 1:47:49 PM PDT by BeauBo
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To: BeauBo

It has to built so that no Democrat can render it worthless. I know that’s vague but a wall that is not maintained, manned, funded and secured will be worthless. Let’s just assume the nest a-hole rat President candidate will partially campaign on “bringing down the wall” and will have millennials and all other libtards salivating.


40 posted on 03/30/2018 1:50:21 PM PDT by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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