Posted on 03/22/2018 8:27:10 PM PDT by BBell
SACRAMENTO -- Four days after 22-year-old Stephon Clark was shot and killed by police officers in his grandparents' backyard, protesters gathered inside and outside Sacramento City Hall.
Officers believed Clark had been breaking into cars in the neighborhood and shot him because they say they thought he had a gun. He was only holding a cellphone.
"The death of one more man of color is one too many," Mayor Darrell Steinberg said earlier Thursday before the protest began.
Protesters clogged major downtown Sacramento streets near City Hall as the Thursday commute was about to begin. Earlier in the day, the city urged drivers to find alternate routes.
A large crowd of demonstrators walked onto Interstate 5 at J Street and blocked both sides of the roadway, forcing traffic to stop. Drivers were seen getting out of their stopped cars along the interstate.
In one instance a CHP officer grabbed a lone man and dragged him from the southbound I-5 onto the shoulder of the roadway. Demonstrators told FOX40 the man was not associated with their protest and was later arrested.
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Honestly, I am not a huge Chris Rock fan but I do laugh every single time I watch the “Ass Kicked” video!
He definitely leveraged the power of the “N” word to make money...
In a tense situation in the dark you could tell that in time to save your life?
But what he says is the absolute truth! I have several Black friends who are among those who are dearest to me. Men who would go to the wall for me, and I for them . I take umbrage with the “N” word types, who, by their actions make the lives of my friends a whole lot more tenuous.
Can’t disagree with you there.
>> I look at it like we look at war. Generally we must be fired upon first before we as a nation respond.<<
As any combat-experienced soldier or marine will tell you, that absurd PC ROE directive has been responsible for many seriously wounded and dead coalition forces.
>>Stealing. He was stealing from the productive members of society.
And society is better off with him gone, sorry to say.<<
I whole-heartedly agree, except I’m not sorry to say.
>>How about we give cops the same rules of engagement we give the Infantry in Afghanistan?<<
Those asinine, politically-coerced rules of engagement have caused countless soldiers and marines to be seriously wounded and killed. And that is why those rules have been changed. Now, any enemy displaying hostile intent, e.g., the brandishing of deadly weapons, the carrying of IEDS, etc. is an approved target and may be killed.
>> If Stephon HAD a gun and killed the cop, it’s a local story only. OR if Stephon was white.<<
Well and truly said!
>>Strange that cops almost always claim they thought it was a gun when it is a wallet or cell phone.<<
I don’t see anything at all strange about it.
>>He began to stutter and mumble, so the cops cuffed him and put him in as squad car as the detective came over to us grimacing as he wiped his hand on his pants, saying “Arggh. Need to wash my hands now.”<<
Interesting story, but what’s your point?
>>What kind of arrest record did the criminal have?<<
I don’t think the cops had time to check on that.
I know what ROE means. I have not heard of TOE.
That said, war and the rules during peacetime for your public servants the police, have absolutely nothing in common. The police are not at war, and are under OUR rule of law.
I believe we agree on your point. The rules should apply equally to any human being.
We have been under civilian ROE since time began. If you recall, General Macarthur ran up against ROE in Korea and suddenly it was “old soldiers never die they just fade away”. If you are a first strike type, you have an opinion, that is not necessarily consistent with US ROE.
All of which has little or nothing to do with police procedure in regards to shooting civilians in the course of their daily routine. All are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. The police are not judge and jury. What happens to people of color has happened to neutral folks as well with the all too common no knock raid on the wrong house. Useless unwarranted Death is usually the bad result.
If you don’t think our police are at war you haven’t paid enough attention
Sorry for having fat fingers on a small keyboard....ROE is what it should have said
Police have policies and ROE
Yes police are bound by law but no more so than any citizen.
In this incident I again say don’t run from police in the middle of the night. This guy could have stopped and surrendered at any point. He did not. When asked to show his hands he did not. I do not expect police to wait until they are fired upon to respond
Cops get to know who the serial criminals are by sight.
>> All are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. The police are not judge and jury. What happens to people of color<<
Yes, all are innocent until proven guilty, and that includes law enforcement when they engage a suspect with deadly force. And yes, the police are not judge and jury, nor are YOU. And finally, you should be aware that the term “people of color” is a political creation, and is one that has been specifically created to juxtapose for purposes of aggression all persons who are not white against those who are white. Hispanics, by the way, are absurdly included in the category of “people of color” because they are of course Caucasians. Many Italians have darker skin color than many Hispanics, so are they also to be categorized as “people of color”?
It was the concept of someone running through people’s back yards that brought it up.
The detective rubbing his hands on his pants just seemed funny, in the same way some people don’t like touching sweaty bare skin of other people in fields where you wouldn’t think that would be an issue.
I work in healthcare, and have seen (and felt it myself) that laying bare hands on a sweaty and/or smelly person in certain circumstances made you want to go wash your hands. It was just kind of unusual to see in a street cop, and oddly funny in that setting.
That’s all, nothing nefarious.
That is a huge understatement.
I seriously question why the cop's cameras have a mute button. They should not be able to mute them.
And an attempt to mute or in any way defeat a body camera should be met with an immediate firing plus a legal presumption of guilt.
The guy was caught in a criminal act and attempted to flee. The rules should be that those circumstances the cops have great leeway in believing that any aggressive act could be a serious threat. But, when they hide what they are doing, which is what happens when they mute the recording, the rules change.
That sounds to me like a conspiracy and a cover-up from the beginning.
Justine had not been engaged in criminal activity before she was shot, and she was not attempting to flee. Those are very, very big differences.
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