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To: FLT-bird

I am not opposed to states leaving the union in the same way they joined. I’m also familiar with the Virginia ratification convention and don’t recall an express right to secede.

Can you point to a secession document from the ratifying convention?


67 posted on 03/22/2018 11:44:58 AM PDT by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: Jacquerie

Usconstitution.net

Virginia’s ratification

“.....do in the name of and on behalf of the people of Virginia declare and make known that the powers granted under the constitution being derived from the people of the United States May be resumed by them whensoever the same shall be perverted to their injury or oppression and that every power not granted thereby remains with them and at their will..........”

NY and Rhode Island also expressly reserved the right to secede (“resume the powers of government” was the phrase they used. Think about it. It was just 8 years after they gained their independence after an 8 year war. They were not about to just give up their hard won sovereignty and bind themselves forever under what everybody considered an experiment that they didn’t know would work or not.


69 posted on 03/22/2018 12:11:36 PM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: Jacquerie
I'm not a lawyer, but my impression is that English Common Law always places limits on “perpetuities.”

In Trust Law, ownership or benefits must vest within a certain time period. This is actually called the “Rule Against Perpetuities.”

Also, Florida state law specifically defines “perpetuity” with a maximum number of years for different issues and circumstances.

Bottom Line...

Did the authors and signers of the Constitution actually have the legal authority to perpetually bind each state to the “United States,” and to use force of arms or economic sanctions to force a rebellious state to stay in the Union?

76 posted on 03/22/2018 2:58:23 PM PDT by zeestephen
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