The ensign... simply got in the way.
Posted on 03/20/2018 1:20:31 PM PDT by Kaslin
You started out by using the word ‘murder’.
Can you backup the use of that word?
If so, the rest of your post might be worth reading.
This is not the first fatality, there were two passengers in two separate crashes who have died in driverless cars.
The ensign... simply got in the way.
What's also interesting is that there is a bike lane for quite some distance going north on Mill Ave., and right near the crash site, there's a cross-over for traffic/bikes where the traffic can turn right, but the bikes that want to go straight are forced between the north-bound straight and east-bound turn vehicle lanes.
If Uber had reasonable knowledge there was a risk for whatever reason and the went forward with the cars on the road, then we can rule out accident. They should have drove somewhere without the risk to innocent bystanders.
If Uber know the car had problems in certain conditions and the still drove it anyway, that's homicide.
If Uber said 'the risks' are okay, we're not the ones going to die, I'd call that murder.
In any case, this is not an accidental death. How much guilty they are is something that needs more investigation, a trial.
Can a car get a trial by its peers? Is Christine available?
I don't wanna wear the red shirt.
How ya been, Slim? After the winds this last Sunday, I'm surprised we aren't posting from Texas.
You've been listening to Red Barchetta again.
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That had to hurt.
Nailed it.
Except another factor: In our state pedestrians have the right of way. Crosswalk or not.
Thus, for the Oober-lovers out there, you’re going to have to press your Legislatures (I’m sure other states have similar pro-pedestrian laws) to relax the pedestrian laws to make exceptions for driverless cars with no conscience and no ability to feign ignorance, either of the law or of failure to yield (”she came out of the shadow” ain’t gonna cut it for liability on an AI platform such as a driverless car).
Oober will pay off the woman’s family and it won’t go to court. I’d bet on it.
Since I can’t pass up an opportunity to sh!t on Oober:
I have a friend who’s been fawning over the $4000/month he’s been making based on Oober’s reports. I’ve asked him some pointed questions, for which I’ve yet to receive a straight answer. I’ve warned him that his screenshot reports include Oober’s cut which is not deducted, is a gross figure (not taking into account estimated tax payments) and makes no adjustment whatsoever for expenses such as fuel or maintenance. I figure he’s making roughly $14-17 hour gross and failing to pay his estimated taxes (I know him well).
That means adjusting tax penalties and cashflow expenses (he never saves a dime) I figure his actual gross income after expenses and before taxes (apples-to-apples) is right about $10-12/hr (being generous)...POSSIBLY including his standby time sitting in the car BEFORE getting a ride but certainly NOT his one-way transit time to the pickup.
Even IF he’s only doing this in the evenings 4-6 hours every night, do the math: Pathetic.
Here’s how it will play out in court:
Whoever controls the car will pay.
Talk radio, and spot-OFF.
B.S. Rush. You don't have the skills in this area to say that;
neither does UBER, TESLA, GM, FORD or IBM WATSON.
I'm a techie, I love it alllllll, 1st 5 minutes of movie Valerian on youtube, etc.,
but do I STAND ALONE AGAINST THIS INSANE IDEA?
Thankfully not, and I agree with the dissent already expressed here.
There are 1.5 TRILLION miles driven EACH YEAR in USA.
AI and technology are 200 years from giving us safe ‘drivels cars’.
The human eye has MANY more pixels connected to decisions (brain).
The five (5) human senses work in a combined way with the brain in ways that are often called ‘remarkable’ and ‘miraculous’.
We must rise up and stop this madness. ( no sarcasm/humor this post, sorry ).
The incredible F-35 aircraft software cannot currently drive a car successfully with below scenarios.
I've got personal driving experience nothing in tech can match. I'm going to Congress with this!
I DEMAND congress pass the ‘Elaine Herzberg’ LAW which will require:
At least 3 TRILLION miles
of 100% successful MTBF testing
and all manner of ‘virtual’ chaos testing etc.
away from mankind prior to allowing this
dangerous idea from being implemented.
Here are four scenarios AI and tech cannot currently achieve: (there are infinite possibilities)...
#1 EASY?
An animal (deer/cow) and a homo sapien present themselves on the road. Turning either way strikes one of them.
Which decision does a driver or headless car make?
#2 MEDIUM?
What if 4 children are directly BEHIND the deer/cow side
frozen in shock at a careening car
only partially visible/identifyable as humans?
GROW UP FUTURE FREAKS!
#3 DIFFICULT?
Above scenario #2 where the slightest change in the angle of the car pre-impact saves 1 or 2 humans.
( Matching sheet metal @ which angle percentage is best result? i.e. Skidding 1% or 3% or 5% sideways? )
#4 Complex
Traveling at 70MPH,
an 18-wheeler, one lane over,
16 cars/trucks between you and it, approx. 1/4 mile in FRONT of you,
LOSES IT'S LOAD of: (fill in blank, say; pipes or boxes)
while it jackknifes and hit’s side-of-road equipment, causing dozens of breadbox obstacles on the road.
All manner of ‘chaos theory’ unfolds for the dozen cars /bikes and ‘potentials’
in front of you in half a second, while you're traveling at 70mph
with vehicles behind you accelerating trying to pass around you.
Which decision does a HUMAN DRIVER or headless car make?
How much ADRENALINE(epinephrine), noradrenaline, cortisol, and 30 stress hormones SKYROCKET,
at WHAT HEART RATE,
with HOW MUCH SWEAT,
and HOW DID TIME ITSELF seem to SLOW DOWN for the human driver?
What about the headless NINTENDO car?
from ‘WWW.thinklikeahorse,com’:
The sudden surge of stress hormones, adrenaline and other body actions all enable super human like strength and reflexes that is sometimes called a miracle. The stories of a ... not thinking”, I just did it. The thinking part of the brain stops (or slows down or is suppressed) and the survival, action part of the brain, takes over.
GROW UP FUTURE FREAKS! ( and I'm one of them... )
“...the preliminary investigation found the Uber car was driving at 38 mph in a 35 mph zone..”
It's interesting that Uber didn’t program the software to exactly obey speed limits...:^)
“Autonomous vehicles will not survive First Contact with the American Tort Bar.”
No, they will not.
Personal injury lawyers are going to have a field day with self-driving cars, as well they should, given the extreme likelihood of continuous death and mayhem from this foolish, not-yet-ready-for-prime-time technology.
and the great thing about this from a liability lawyer’s standpoint is that almost all accidents nowadays are caused by the drivers and NOT by faulty or unsafe auto design or manufacturing. Thus, today’s main liability targets have been the bad drivers themselves and their insurance companies, IF THEY ARE INSURED.
With driverless cars, there’s no possibility that the drivers can be at fault since there aren’t any, and therefore there’s a 100% chance that the manufacturers are at fault, and the manufacturers have DEEP pockets, unlike individual drivers, even the ones WITH insurance.
Quite quickly, driverless car makers will be sued out of existence unless states absolve them of their liability, at which point it becomes open season on the innocents by driverless car manufactures. (In point of fact, the liability waiver would actually have to occur at the Federal level because of cars sold in a state that has liability waivers driving across the border to another state that has no liability waivers.)
Ubiquitous driverless cars are part of the same nonsensical utopia as ubiquitous flying cars, ubiquitous electric cars, ubiquitous wind power and ubiquitous solar power.
The careful, thought out response to that idiotic comment is a succinct "No, you don't need a car. But someday you might really, really need a gun."
If she moved further into the roadway, and was with a bike, was she maybe getting started in the bike path, getting out of the turn lane? Was she run down in the bike lane or the turn lane? Finally, was she straddling the bicycle or truly walking it?
It will be interesting to see how this develops.
Thanks for posting the map location!
Been good, got some snow Sunday out at the range, but not enough to mean much. Just getting ready for the spring season, last match was over 80 shooters, a record.
“After considering the evidence, it was decided that the rogue Uber car didn’t have to be put down.”
Rush talking technology? 30 years and Rush’s website is still technically poor. No college does that.
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