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...NAFTA, which is under renegotiation right now, has been a bad deal for U.S.A. ..
Real Donald Trump twitter account ^ | March 5, 2018 | President Donald Trump

Posted on 03/05/2018 4:14:02 AM PST by SMGFan

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To: Gay State Conservative
Canada,OTOH,is a civilized,advanced and friendly country with whom we should have a comprehensive and mutually beneficial trading relationship.If the current agreement we have with Canada needs "fine tuning" that's fine with me.But unless I'm missing something there's no need for a wholesale change in our current agreement.

Canada is a problem, and if not already will be a main access point for terrorost to the US. They are a bunch of self-righteous socialists, and need to be banned from the US unless they obtain a Visa.

21 posted on 03/05/2018 5:03:43 AM PST by D Rider
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To: Gen.Blather

To deal with drugs, Trump should declare war on a cartel and just go one day and wipe all traces out. The where is or can be known and then tightened to reduce the number of dead to hundred.

When Mexico bitches...... let them bitch. Then go after the complicit bitchers


22 posted on 03/05/2018 5:07:46 AM PST by Thibodeaux (The FISA judge is corrupt)
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To: Alberta's Child

Agreed. We are going to be buying a huge amount of things ranging from petroleum products, to minerals, to lumber, and sending what back to them...iPhones or Fords?

Of course there is going to be an imbalance there. I think our main export to Canada is by far, vehicles (trucks, cars, excavators, etc).


23 posted on 03/05/2018 5:10:08 AM PST by rlmorel (Leftists: American Liberty is the egg that requires breaking to make their Utopian omelette)
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To: babble-on

Are you saying unemployed Americans in states like Ohio and Michigan wouldn’t walk back into steel mills and take jobs?


24 posted on 03/05/2018 5:16:55 AM PST by TallahasseeConservative ( Isaiah 40:31)
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To: Alberta's Child

Canada buys more of our exports than any other country in the world. Our exports to Canada are about two and one-half times the value of our exports to China.


25 posted on 03/05/2018 5:16:56 AM PST by kabar
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To: Alberta's Child

Given all the diversion schemes at work, tariff policy is 3D chess. The steel tariff is an incentive for any US plant with a product involving substantial steel content to shift it abroad. So to keep those plants busy, we’ll need to tariff their products. And so on.


26 posted on 03/05/2018 5:18:29 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: TallahasseeConservative

yes

those steel mills will all be down south


27 posted on 03/05/2018 5:18:38 AM PST by Thibodeaux (The FISA judge is corrupt)
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To: kabar

Right. And the U.S. is by far the largest importer of Canada’s products and raw materials. That’s a function of history and proximity. I believe there is more trade conducted between these two countries than between any other two counties in the world.


28 posted on 03/05/2018 5:19:14 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Go ahead, bite the Big Apple ... don't mind the maggots.")
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To: SMGFan

Wow! Someone actually keeping campaign promises.


29 posted on 03/05/2018 5:19:53 AM PST by boycott
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To: Zhang Fei

The steel tariff is also an incentive for any U.S. manufacturer that makes products with steel to replace the steel with something else.


30 posted on 03/05/2018 5:21:19 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Go ahead, bite the Big Apple ... don't mind the maggots.")
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To: SMGFan

I would say treat our farmers better, but make sure they offer decent working conditions and hire American workers.

And we need to stop the CIA/Deep State role in the drug trade before we go cracking down on other countries.


31 posted on 03/05/2018 5:26:06 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Alberta's Child

Shallow thinking. The reason steel is used is because there is nothing available as a replacement.

I visit several companies that use steel. Most all of it is imported. For any given product, there might be various steel products imported from as many as 8 or 10 different countries. The steel is all purchased from American distributors.

Two of the companies are American he subsidaries of foreign companies. One previously had a facility in China that made a key component. No longer. they reverted to their plant in the EU.

I review hundreds and hundreds of Material Test Reports and excepting that noted above, have never seen one for material sourced from china.

My narrow window seems to show that American steel distributors aand their manufacturing customers don’t buy Chinese steel.


32 posted on 03/05/2018 5:34:49 AM PST by Thibodeaux (The FISA judge is corrupt)
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To: Alberta's Child

As of the end of 2017 China is our number one trading partner with $636 billion compared to $582 billion with Canada and $557 billion with Mexico. China ran a $375 billion trade surplus with the US compared to Canada’s $18 billion and Mexico’s $71 billion.

China uses Canada and Mexico as intermediaries to get some of their exports into the US taking advantage of NAFTA.


33 posted on 03/05/2018 5:39:17 AM PST by kabar
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To: SMGFan

I struggle to see how taxing Chinese imported steel won’t increase orders for South American steel?

Looks like we already get quite a bit from these sources.

https://www.trade.gov/steel/countries/pdfs/imports-us.pdf


34 posted on 03/05/2018 5:40:32 AM PST by GG-1
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To: Thibodeaux

Steel has already been replaced by other materials in many products, for lots of different reasons. Heck — Ford now uses aluminum for their F-150 pickups.


35 posted on 03/05/2018 5:52:49 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Go ahead, bite the Big Apple ... don't mind the maggots.")
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To: kabar

Thanks for posting that info.


36 posted on 03/05/2018 5:53:19 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Go ahead, bite the Big Apple ... don't mind the maggots.")
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To: Thibodeaux

I review hundreds and hundreds of Material Test Reports and excepting that noted above, have never seen one for material sourced from china.
My narrow window seems to show that American steel distributors aand their manufacturing customers don’t buy Chinese steel.


What I’ve read indicates the Chinese send their crude steel to third countries to tack on some nominal amount of final processing so as to avoid US tariffs. That would be consistent with your experience.


37 posted on 03/05/2018 5:53:30 AM PST by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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Interesting thread/dicussion BUMP! HOORAY President Donald J. Trump!


38 posted on 03/05/2018 5:54:10 AM PST by PGalt
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To: TallahasseeConservative

No one is going to rebuild steel mills because of a tariff that might not be there a year from now. The steel manufacturers will pocket the subsidy, but won’t invest. At least not in any economically meaninful sense.

Our steel industry is already operating at close to full capacity. There is not a lot of hiring that could be done.

The market problem is Chinese overcapacity that has driven down prices, but we buy very little steel from China. Our imported steel is mostly from Canada and Brazil and Mexico and Europe.


39 posted on 03/05/2018 5:56:49 AM PST by babble-on
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To: GG-1

We’re taxing ALL steel. The tariff applies to all imports not just China.


40 posted on 03/05/2018 5:57:39 AM PST by babble-on
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