Posted on 02/23/2018 1:08:12 PM PST by fwdude
Don’t forget the Virginia Tech shooter.
He just used two handguns, one of which was a .22 which is NOT a powerful round, and he killed 32 people!
The AR is not unique in that it can kill a lot of people quickly.
A Rem 870 pump action shotgun with 00 Buck, and a little practice and a big pocket or backpack of ammo... Oh wait,,, ban them too??? The thing is they want to ban them all. They just are not honest enough to admit it.
The problem is the psycho shooter who would do it, a law system out of touch with the people seeing the problem person long before the shooting, and a school system with gun phobia, unwilling to entertain the idea of “hardening” our schools like we have our banks, jewelry stores, airports and other government buildings.
“...NOT A SCARY BLACK “ASSAULT RIFLE”/M1-A/...7.62 x 51mm/Weight: 8.8 pounds ...” [Vlad The Inhaler, Post 2]
“...The MI-Garand is a work of art.” [cpdiii, Post 20]
“You should have added a picture of the Ruger mini 14, Ranch model. ...” [circlecity, Post 27]
Would be curious to know where Vlad came by the image of a left-hand M1A. Seen some other rifles like that - on film only. Has anyone fired the SOCOM 16? I’ve fired HK-91s, with barrel lengths a tenth shy of 18 inches. I’d expect a 16-inch to be rather more unpleasant. Couldn’t speak to accuracy.
John C Garand’s brainchild was an amazing accomplishment 90 years ago, and can still hold its own today - despite the meddlings of the Ordnance Corps, and senior officers who were sure they knew everything modern combat would bring. Initial design notes suggest that Mr Garand himself envisioned an arm of about 25 cal, with 1/3 to 1/2 of the barrel exposed ahead of the forend, and a detachable box magazine: much closer to Ruger’s Mini-14 than US Rifle, Cal 30, M1.
Two major disappointments attended the M1:
1. It did not chamber 276 Pedersen
2. The Ordnance Corps labored for 12 years but came up with nothing better than the M14
A 276 Garand would have been less burdensome and less punishing; developmental models on display at the Museum of the National Armory at Springfield held a 10-round clip. 25 percent more firepower. Retaining 30-06 was not Douglas MacArthur’s best decision.
The M14 weighed as much, loaded, as the M1 and was longer. Underengineered to meet weight constraints, still too light to be controlled in full-auto. Undeniably accurate, less stout than contemporary designs. FAL and G3 were as good or better in every other attribute, save perhaps triggers. AR-10 was late in coming to the party, but field reports on the earliest production models have awarded it high marks, over a surprisingly long stretch of years. It’s worth noting that Eugene Stoner preferred 30 cal; he left ArmaLite before his rifle was downsized to a 22 centerfire.
Mini-14 used the moving-cylinder, fixed-piston configuration of Degtyarev’s DP-28 light machine gun, but the mass distribution was not too good - hence the early models’ reputation for poor accuracy. It took Ruger about 30 years to sort it all out. Every other design detail reinforces the claim of some authorities, that the Mini-14 is “the M14 as it ought to have been.”
And the Tsarnaev brothers killed how many with just a pressure cooker?
I have a very nice M-1 carbine with several 30 rd. magazines.......
Doesn’t the Mini 14 have a big brother chambered in 7.62X39? Was a full auto version ever produced?
mark
Circumstances would determine. I wouldn’t want to lug a wooden stocked M1A to far. Figured out what’s wrong with that image....it’s reversed. Unless SA’s making lefties.
The Mini-30. Don’t know about full auto.
Thanks. It is still a very potent weapon. Range, velocity, accuracy, choices of bullets, and reliability.
If I could have only 1 rifle, it would be my choice.
Most of the time I shoot my 30-30, it’s cheap to shoot if you reload.
and completely silent!
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