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To: bmwcyle
My last flu shot, 1978. I rarely get sick.

You've probably had flu many times and never known it. A very interesting study by a London university followed 5,500 people over six flu seasons and found that in all that time, 20 percent of all unvaccinated people caught the flu; of that 20 percent, only 25 percent had symptoms, and only 17 percent of those with symptoms sought treatment ("Comparative community burden and severity of seasonal and pandemic influenza: results of the Flu Watch cohort study," published in The Lancet Respiratory Medicine, June 2014.)

I've often wondered why I've been flu-free for about the past 30 years, and I think it's because I've actually had cases that were asymptomatic, or had mild symptoms that I simply ignored. I'll wager if you did a titer on my blood for antibodies you'd find them for every strain of flu under the sun.

I've never been vaccinated for flu.

24 posted on 02/16/2018 9:54:42 AM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

That is such Bull Shit and you need to pull your head out of your ass with this shit. You are ABSOLUTELY WRONG.


26 posted on 02/16/2018 10:01:29 AM PST by bmwcyle (People who do not study history are destine to believe really ignorant statements.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Same here. NEVER had the “flu vaccine” and I have only been sick with flu symptoms 2 times-—enough to put me to bed for a day or two in 60 years. Never missed school for being sick except for measles (which didn’t kill me and probably made me much healthier and resilient in the future, plus affected the great health of my five children ). In my childhood we had VERY few “vaccines” and few “mandated” for school like today. (Nuremberg trials condemned mandating poisonous injections into people and all vaccines have known toxins and risks (that are purposely hidden, too) ). Positive effects are exaggerated and toxic effects are mostly hidden. Big Pharma has been all about lies, never the truth-—just “marketing of perceptions-—control of emotions of the masses. You will not be “free” unless you know the truth. You can never know what is best if you are told lies, so lies and disinformation (socialism) will destroy free will.

Read up on the “Father of the Polio Vaccine”, Jonas Salk. and find out his evil, diabolical worldview and statements, He wrote a book no one but Fabian Socialists (NWO) have read. Don’t take it from me. And read about the man who invented the hypodermic needle around 1900 which he knew is the cause of allergies. The deadly Peanut allergies came from vaccines but no one is allowed to say it. (Kill the scientists if they state the Truth, like Seth Rich). Truth is more hated than Lies. They injected peanut proteins along with vaccines, that went into the bloodstream of children which will cause the deadly peanut allergies. How in the world does peanut proteins get into the blood stream??? (Think!!!!!)

Vaccines have been responsible for millions of deaths around the world and in babies and it is covered up— and sterility in large groups of people in 3rd World countries. Vaccines are part of the Eugenics/Margaret Sanger program of depopulation which entails sterility and killing.....goes back to Malthus. These sick, evil people control your perceptions if you don’t read original source documentation -—like Salk’s own book and the words of H.G. Wells and Julian Huxley-—for “transhumanism” of the future-—nothing natural—not even “natural instincts” will exist by the time these evil “scientists” get total control of your minds and that of your children—like with Common Core and Hollywood/MSM. CIA controls MSM—always has, since JP Morgan/Rothschilds owned all the AP/Reuters and heads of radio/newspapers/universities (Pres. Wilson) since 1912 or so. YOU DO NOT GET THE TRUTH IN MSM AT ALL. NOR FROM RESEARCH CENTERS which are creating “swine flu” and other epidemics like HIV, etc.....all created in a lab-—for killing of certain useless “groups” as they sterilize other groups and make vegetables or autistic—non-breeders or “homosexuals” out of your children. It is all planned 200 years ago. Google Fichte 1810 “snow is black” quote for worldview—their plans for the masses (cattle). The destruction of the Natural Family is essential—atomized people incapable of profound relationships/love—along with the extreme cost of sickness/drugs stealing all the savings of the elderly as the drugs kill them quicker, but enough so they drain all their savings, so it will never reach their debt immersed children (complete idiot slaves of the State).

The Deep State has created a system based on Hegelian Dialectic-—you do not have a “choice”—it is determined by the Deep State—which president you may have, etc. The System has to be obliterated-—it is ALL unconstitutional since 1912. We have to have local control of eduction, newspapers, media and not the psychopaths controlling what we “know’ with the monopolies and Marxist systems of “education”, SS, Income Tax, theft (welfare), etc.


36 posted on 02/16/2018 11:36:05 AM PST by savagesusie (When Law ceases to be Just, it ceases to be Law. (Thomas A./Founders/John Marshall)/Nuremberg)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Vaccination works by the principle of herd immunity. Getting the shot is no guarantee that any particular individual is protected, whether getting the shot or not. What it does do is greatly reduce the chain of transmission, helping to limit the ability of an outbreak to spread throughout a population.

Some people who get the shot will still get the flu, especially if they were already exposed before getting the vaccine. It takes two weeks for your body to get the full benefit of the vaccine, it’s not an instantaneous effect.


56 posted on 02/17/2018 11:44:05 AM PST by Pelham (California, a subsidiary of Mexico, Inc.)
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