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L.A. County set to build its first new freeway in 25 years, despite many misgivings
L A Times ^ | Feb 10, 2018 | 3:00 AM | Louis Sahagun

Posted on 02/10/2018 6:41:05 PM PST by BenLurkin

The California Department of Transportation, in cooperation with a joint powers authority, will in June begin buying land to build a 63-mile high desert freeway connecting the Los Angeles County communities of Palmdale and Lancaster with the San Bernardino County communities of Victorville, Apple Valley and Adelanto.

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The county’s first new freeway in a quarter-century is something of a throwback, as regional planners have shifted their focus in recent years toward mass transit and infill development to combat snarled traffic and housing shortages. Yet it serves as a reminder that even as Los Angeles moves to encourage more density in its urban neighborhoods, development continues to push into the scrublands on the county’s fringes.

...Palmdale and Lancaster have seen their populations surge — even landing among the nation’s 10 fastest-growing cities in 2007, according to the U.S. Census Bureau. T

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The environmental impact report has already been approved, paving the way for right of way agents to begin acquiring land this spring with $274 million generated by Measure M, a sales tax increase approved by Los Angeles County voters in 2016 to build transportation projects over the next 40 years.

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State and county officials say they may decide to build in phases as funding becomes available. Proposals to make certain stretches of the freeway, or its entire length, a toll road are also under discussion, officials say.

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The route would run roughly parallel to State Route 18 and State Highway 138, also known as Pearblossom Highway. Congestion is a problem on Highway 138 thanks to big rigs, commuters and travelers to Las Vegas.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; freeway; losangelescounty; puccinisroad
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To: Yaelle

There are people who commute that route now, and there will be more.


21 posted on 02/10/2018 7:19:39 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: Yaelle

Good point. That’ll teach em.

You bring up another interesting thing I learned.

At one point for a few years, I was driving 30 miles on the freeway each way to work. I admit, out here that’s actually pretty tame. Some folks drive a lot more each way.

I had never realized how much impact schools have on freeway traffic. During school breaks, the traffic is substantially lighter on the freeways.

A friend at work mentioned it. I took notice and sure enough, the days schools were on special holiday, the traffic was much lighter.


22 posted on 02/10/2018 7:21:21 PM PST by DoughtyOne (01/26/18 DJIA 30 stocks $26,616.71 48.794% > open 11/07/16 215.71 from 50% increase 1.2183 yrs..)
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To: DoughtyOne

I have two children each in a school at an end of LA County. They are both so perfect for my children and it’s only for this year, so I drive 100 miles or so a day three days a week. It’s worth it. But yeah, I’m not on the road if there is a school holiday.


23 posted on 02/10/2018 7:28:27 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: BenLurkin
".....a sales tax increase approved by Los Angeles County voters in 2016.....

I didnt vote for that b.s., but the majority of leftist scum in my state surely did.

24 posted on 02/10/2018 7:33:16 PM PST by Pagey (8 years of MISERY, Thanks to Valerie Jarrett. Wretched human.)
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To: Yaelle

Thanks for the mention. Interesting dynamic.

My thought on this, was that most schools were neighborhood affairs. I didn’t expect to see freeways impacted this much.

While your drive is 100 miles, I’m sure a lot of other folks are driving less, with the same principle in mind.

Then there are the community colleges and universities in the region too.

We’re probably talking about hundreds of thousands of people right there.


25 posted on 02/10/2018 7:35:27 PM PST by DoughtyOne (01/26/18 DJIA 30 stocks $26,616.71 48.794% > open 11/07/16 215.71 from 50% increase 1.2183 yrs..)
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To: nickedknack

And I’ll be really surprised if it ever gets built.


26 posted on 02/10/2018 7:35:31 PM PST by Behind the Blue Wall
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To: BenLurkin

It’s already clogged to a long parking lot.


27 posted on 02/10/2018 7:38:45 PM PST by lurk
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To: DoughtyOne

My son commutes home from college on the weekends too so that is true. People can’t afford to live near their schools often and they commute to college from their parents’ homes.


28 posted on 02/10/2018 7:48:13 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: BenLurkin

There are people who commute that route now, and there will be more.

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That’s good to hear. As long as they stay in California.


29 posted on 02/10/2018 7:51:50 PM PST by laplata (Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: BenLurkin

Since it will run along and nearly parallel to the San Andreas earthquake fault, they should name it the San Andreas Freeway. Or maybe shake n’ bake highway.


30 posted on 02/10/2018 7:55:06 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Yaelle

I agree.


31 posted on 02/10/2018 8:01:36 PM PST by DoughtyOne (01/26/18 DJIA 30 stocks $26,616.71 48.794% > open 11/07/16 215.71 from 50% increase 1.2183 yrs..)
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To: Windflier

And don’t you forget it! LOL They’ll never complete it. Do we want every citizen South of the 10 freeway, all the way to the water, coming in our city? NO! There’s a reason our San Marino Lacy Park charges a Fee to come to the park. They’re called Mexicans. None will say it, but THAT is another IMPORTANT reason why it will never happen. The $$$ of my friends properties are a second and third issue in my opinion. But important nonetheless. I don’t believe the ‘State of Calif’ per se, even has the will to pay out how much that property is worth + never will.


32 posted on 02/10/2018 8:26:12 PM PST by Pagey (8 years of MISERY, Thanks to Valerie Jarrett. Wretched human.)
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To: Windflier

They were going to tunnel under and still the residents did not want it. It actually would have alleviated some traffic.


33 posted on 02/10/2018 8:30:47 PM PST by gunsequalfreedom
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To: BenLurkin

Like a project in an African nation, it’ll cost $100 billion and never be finished after everyone takes their bribes.


34 posted on 02/10/2018 8:33:06 PM PST by CodeToad (CWII is coming. Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: BenLurkin

What’s wrong with the 14? It’s 3 lanes in each direction ...


35 posted on 02/10/2018 8:34:18 PM PST by 11th_VA (People who deny reality often do not live to regret it.)
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To: BenLurkin

Connecting Palmdale and Landcaster. Well, that should be good for meth sales.


36 posted on 02/10/2018 8:35:12 PM PST by 1_Inch_Group (Country Before Party)
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To: DoughtyOne

Do we get payments from the sex tax when Sacramento brings over a bottle of wine and slips us a Xanax?


37 posted on 02/10/2018 8:37:02 PM PST by 1_Inch_Group (Country Before Party)
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To: 1_Inch_Group

I’m not seeing any indication of that...

“:^)


38 posted on 02/10/2018 8:41:54 PM PST by DoughtyOne (01/26/18 DJIA 30 stocks $26,616.71 48.794% > open 11/07/16 215.71 from 50% increase 1.2183 yrs..)
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To: DoughtyOne
...After they moved in to the new home, they realized the home on one side of their property was a half-way house for ex-cons...

This is their own fault.

Even when I buy a rental, much less my own home, I visit several times during the day, cruising the neighborhood, looking for potential drawbacks. I also visit at least twice at night, specifically looking for nearby parks and corners where "young entrepreneurs" set up shop, etc. Look for graffiti, etc. And, if the price is right, look over that gift horse with extra care.

Of course, in CA they may have a cause of action against a real estate agent, or the previous owner who should have disclosed this.

39 posted on 02/10/2018 8:45:00 PM PST by CurlyDave
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To: CurlyDave

You mentioned some reasoned dynamics there. I wouldn’t disagree with you. Other than the things I mentioned, I know very little about the transaction’s dynamics. Couldn’t tell you why this didn’t show up before the purchase.

It may be that the half-way house came into being after the purchase. I’m not privy to all the details.


40 posted on 02/10/2018 8:55:20 PM PST by DoughtyOne (01/26/18 DJIA 30 stocks $26,616.71 48.794% > open 11/07/16 215.71 from 50% increase 1.2183 yrs..)
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