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To: markomalley

Well, I’m going to continue to be a dissident here and say the “memo” should not be released, or at least, not yet.

We are faced with a large and well-organized campaign of sedition against the lawful government of the United States. There are two possible ways to suppress the campaign and punish the malefactors, neither one of which has anything to do with Congress.

The first is what Lincoln referred to as “the ordinary course of judicial proceedings”.

The second, when “combinations too powerful to be suppressed by the ordinary course of judicial proceedings” arise is the army, or, more exactly, the militias of the several States.

A draft document naming individuals and ascribing guilt to them, coming from Congress, could amount to a Bill of Attainder. These are forbidden to Congress for good reasons.

Such a document could also tip off conspirators who are not yet aware that their roles and identities are known.

But worst of all, the document could prevent prosecution of the guilty by unfair publicity before the government puts its case in front of a court.

Now, many have said, rightly, that the DOJ/FBI can’t/won’t investigate itself, and that Congress is a backup.

But Congress can’t convene a Grand Jury, issue indictments, appoint prosecutors, arrest and hold for trial suspects or prevent their flight. It cannot try the accused, and it cannot punish them.

The one thing the lying Democrats have right is that this “memo” was created by the GOP staff alone. IF the memo could deliver justice, I wouldn’t care about that, but it can’t, and it won’t.

As such, it will become a source of endless partisan wrangling and will deflect attention from the underlying facts.

If Sessions can’t do the job, he should be fired. But taking care that the laws are faithfully exceuted is Trump’s job at the end of the day. It’s not Devin Nunes’ job.

If Trump wants to stay in office, he’s better get busy using all the forces at his disposal, including force if necessary.


48 posted on 01/31/2018 4:58:27 PM PST by Jim Noble (Single payer is coming. Which kind do you like?)
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To: Jim Noble

Thank you. I share especially your concern about prejudicial publicity. Politicians tend to unearth the truth in order to win the next election, not to seek justice. That they haven’t apparently convened a grand jury makes me suspect the former.


83 posted on 01/31/2018 5:11:00 PM PST by Chaguito
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To: Jim Noble

A memo from the staff of a House committee cannot possibly be a “Bill of Attainder” because it is not a bill at all. It is not not proposed as legislation, it is a descriptive memo, nothing to do with a “Bill of Attainder.”


106 posted on 01/31/2018 5:33:00 PM PST by Enchante (FusionGPS "dirty dossier" scandal links Hillary, FBI, CIA, Dept of Justice... "Deep State" is real)
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To: Jim Noble
"A draft document naming individuals and ascribing guilt to them, coming from Congress, could amount to a Bill of Attainder. These are forbidden to Congress for good reasons."

Complete and total BS. A Bill of Attainder is a legislative act declaring a person or persons guilty of a crime and setting forth a punishment for the declared crime. This FISA memo is a report published by a House committee, it is not a legislative act nor does it set forth any punishment in any form.
110 posted on 01/31/2018 5:34:40 PM PST by Garth Tater (What's mine is mine.)
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To: Jim Noble

FRiend this concerns illegal use of the FISA court by multiple actors not only with the fake dossier but way before that, as evidenced in the redacted FISC ruling of the case from way before 2012.. which Dan Coats as DNI had publicly released. The decision of that FISC surely has alerted the names named in the decision, since way back in April 2017- so that is not in question. All of their actions since then to suppress- is to protect their own a@@es. What will proceed from relasing the memo-is empanelling of several special prosecutors presenting to a grand jury for indictment. That is the proceeding the public will demand. We cannot have it any other way without putting our republic in serious danger— as was always intended by obamaumao and hitlery. This is far more than sedition... it is destruction of our Constitutional Republic as the end game of the “total transformation” obamaumao sought and hitlery would have ruled over with no end of tyranny.


134 posted on 01/31/2018 6:12:10 PM PST by John S Mosby (SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS)
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To: Jim Noble
The one thing the lying Democrats have right is that this “memo” was created by the GOP staff alone. IF the memo could deliver justice, I wouldn’t care about that, but it can’t, and it won’t.

A valid point. I thought about who could conceivably prosecute the criminals involved. And the answer is nobody. The FBI can't do it. Congress certainly can't do it. The press is on the side of the criminals. So it is up to all of us and our president to make sure the right people are supported and promoted so this doesn't happen again. It pains me to think the American experiment could end because both parties decided that a banana republic would be better. One party has to be better than that, and that party is our party.

158 posted on 01/31/2018 7:22:20 PM PST by palmer (...if we do not have strong families and strong values, then we will be weak and we will not survive)
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