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To: ealgeone
What if Mother Teresa lived an almost perfect life....yet right there at the end she slipped and told a lie but died before she could ask for forgiveness. Now, we're presuming she had faith in Christ and had believed in Christ in this discussion. Heaven or Hell for her?

a lie, in almost every case, is not a mortal sin....she might spend 30 seconds in purgatory....but she has earned salvation through her good works and the promise of salvation by our Lord.

772 posted on 02/07/2018 9:31:59 PM PST by terycarl (Logic prevails overall)
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To: terycarl; ealgeone
a lie, in almost every case, is not a mortal sin....

So, let me see if I can interpret what you are saying here. If, in almost every case, a lie is not a mortal sin, that must mean, that in some rare cases, it is. What kind of lie, would be a mortal sin? I wonder if Mother Teresa would be up a creek, if she committed ones of those lies?

778 posted on 02/07/2018 9:48:20 PM PST by Mark17 (Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
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To: terycarl
a lie, in almost every case, is not a mortal sin....she might spend 30 seconds in purgatory....but she has earned salvation through her good works and the promise of salvation by our Lord.

Nobody earns salvation through good works.

If salvation could be earned through good works, it would not be a gift, or called a gift.

It would nullify grace. Grace would be meaningless.

And if it were by works, Christ died for nothing.

791 posted on 02/07/2018 11:22:28 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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To: terycarl
..but she has earned salvation through her good works and the promise of salvation by our Lord.
 
 
And there you have the Catholic explanation of salvation.
Compare it to what JESUS has said...
 
 
 

John 6:25-40

25 When they found him on the other side of the lake, they asked him, “Rabbi, when did you get here?”

26 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, you are looking for me, not because you saw the signs I performed but because you ate the loaves and had your fill. 27 Do not work for food that spoils, but for food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you. For on him God the Father has placed his seal of approval.”

28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

30 So they asked him, “What sign then will you give that we may see it and believe you? What will you do? 31 Our ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness; as it is written: ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’[c]

32 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, it is not Moses who has given you the bread from heaven, but it is my Father who gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is the bread that comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”

34 “Sir,” they said, “always give us this bread.”

35 Then Jesus declared, “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never go hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty. 36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. 37 All those the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.”


800 posted on 02/08/2018 3:50:07 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: terycarl
..but she has earned salvation through her good works and the promise of salvation by our Lord.
 
And St. Paul has been accused of writing the following:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Romans 3 NIV

1What advantage, then, is there in being a Jew, or what value is there in circumcision? Much in every way! First of all, the Jews have been entrusted with the very words of God.

What if some were unfaithful? Will their unfaithfulness nullify God’s faithfulness? Not at all! Let God be true, and every human being a liar. As it is written:

“So that you may be proved right when you speak
    and prevail when you judge.”[a]

But if our unrighteousness brings out God’s righteousness more clearly, what shall we say? That God is unjust in bringing his wrath on us? (I am using a human argument.) Certainly not! If that were so, how could God judge the world? Someone might argue, “If my falsehood enhances God’s truthfulness and so increases his glory, why am I still condemned as a sinner?” Why not say—as some slanderously claim that we say—“Let us do evil that good may result”? Their condemnation is just!

No One Is Righteous

What shall we conclude then? Do we have any advantage? Not at all! For we have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under the power of sin. 10 As it is written:

“There is no one righteous, not even one;
11     there is no one who understands;
    there is no one who seeks God.
12 All have turned away,
    they have together become worthless;
there is no one who does good,
    not even one.”[b]
13 “Their throats are open graves;
    their tongues practice deceit.”[c]
“The poison of vipers is on their lips.”[d]
14     “Their mouths are full of cursing and bitterness.”[e]
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood;
16     ruin and misery mark their ways,
17 and the way of peace they do not know.”[f]
18     “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”[g]

19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

Righteousness Through Faith

21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in[h] Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. 25 God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement,[i] through the shedding of his bloodto be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished 26 he did it to demonstrate his righteousness at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus.

27 Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. Because of what law? The law that requires works? No, because of the law that requires faith. 28 For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too, 30 since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.

 

801 posted on 02/08/2018 3:52:37 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: terycarl
a lie, in almost every case, is not a mortal sin....she might spend 30 seconds in purgatory....but she has earned salvation through her good works and the promise of salvation by our Lord.

Say what????

Lying....not a mortal sin in Roman Catholicism?

I can see why ya'll would want to make that claim.

Ya'll would have to be at confession every day....oh, wait....that's Roman Catholicism period.

Salvation is earned through works??? Something we've long known about Roman Catholicism.

Christianity on the other hand says the following:

8For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. Eph 2:8-9 NASB

826 posted on 02/08/2018 1:08:12 PM PST by ealgeone
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