To: Mark17
I wonder what you think of St. Paul's perspective, in which says we are not to anticipate the result of the Lord's judgment,but leave that to the Lord:
1 Cor 4:3-4 I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me. Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes.
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548 posted on
01/30/2018 6:00:22 PM PST by
Mrs. Don-o
(Whatever is pure, anything of excellence, and anything praiseworthy—keep thinking about these thing)
To: Mrs. Don-o
This verse isnt about salvation, but eternal rewards...
550 posted on
01/30/2018 6:02:50 PM PST by
aMorePerfectUnion
(Q is Baron Trump, time-traveling back from the future, to help his dad fight the deep state.)
To: Mrs. Don-o; aMorePerfectUnion
I think I have to agree with AMPU. I think this judgement is not to determine lost or saved status, but to determine rewards in Heaven. True believers WILL go through judgement. As I mentioned, this judgement of the believers is ONLY to determine rewards in Heaven. Some believers may be a little embarrassed, as they will know they should have worked harder for Jesus than they did. The wood, hay and stubble will be burned up. They will suffer loss, but not the loss of their souls. Only the loss of rewards.
Some of these Bible verses, may be a bit hard to understand. I agree with that. I do, however, interpret the difficult to understand verses, in the light of the clear teachings of the Bible, not the other way around. The clear teaching of the Bible, is the saving, salvation experience, MUST happen here, on this earth, while physically alive. No one should wait for physical death to see if they attain Heaven. They absolutely, and most assuredly will not.
That just gets right down to the gut issues of life, doesnt it?
551 posted on
01/30/2018 6:45:25 PM PST by
Mark17
(Genesis chapter 1 verse 1. In the beginning GOD....And the rest, as they say, is HIS-story)
To: Mrs. Don-o
1 Cor 4:3-4 I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me. Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes.
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"One indeed is the universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved, in which the priest himself is the sacrifice, Jesus Christ, whose body and blood are truly contained in the sacrament of the altar under the species of bread and wine; the bread (changed) into His body by the divine power of transubstantiation, and the wine into the blood, so that to accomplish the mystery of unity we ourselves receive from His (nature) what He Himself received from ours." --Pope Innocent III and Lateran Council IV (A.D. 1215)
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I know which one I am going to rely upon!
563 posted on
01/31/2018 3:58:26 AM PST by
Elsie
(Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
To: Mrs. Don-o
579 posted on
01/31/2018 7:33:59 AM PST by
MHGinTN
(A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
To: Mrs. Don-o
1 Peter 3:19-21 19 in which He also went and preached to the spirits in prison 20 who disobeyed long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah, while the ark was being built. In the ark a few people, only eight souls, were saved through water. 21 And
this water symbolizes the baptism that now saves younot the removal of dirt from the body, but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God.
You cite Paul but disagree, yet Peter affirms what Paul taught. Salvation is not pie-in-the-sky-by-and-by, it is in the NOW, as Peter taught. It is not a sin to believe in, trust in, 'faithe' in The Promise of God. Paul even took it for granted as a done deal (see 1 Thess 1:10 in your Douay bible: 10 And to wait for his Son from heaven (whom he raised up from the dead,) Jesus, who hath delivered us from the wrath to come.)
580 posted on
01/31/2018 7:44:43 AM PST by
MHGinTN
(A dispensational perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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