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Navy filing unexpected charges over ship collisions
hotair.com ^ | 1/17/2018 | Jazz Shaw

Posted on 01/17/2018 10:28:28 AM PST by rktman

It’s been quite a while now since two collisions in the western Pacific involving US Navy vessels took the lives of a total of 17 sailors, injuring many others and significantly damaging their ships. The investigations being conducted by the military are wrapping up and charges have been filed against a number of senior personnel, including some which caught me totally by surprise. The Associated Press reports that a total of five officers, including the commanding officers of both the destroyers USS Fitzgerald and USS John S. McCain, are being charged with negligent homicide in the deaths of the sailors.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: negligenthomicide; usnavy
That'll leave a mark in their service jackets.
1 posted on 01/17/2018 10:28:28 AM PST by rktman
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To: rktman
...McCain, are being charged with ...

Figures, he'd be involved in some way.

2 posted on 01/17/2018 10:32:12 AM PST by C210N (It is easier to fool the people than convince them that they have been fooled)
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To: rktman

With any luck they will find that a duplicate key to the ward room icebox did exist.


3 posted on 01/17/2018 10:34:59 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (Benedict McCain is the worst traitor ever to wear the uniform of the US military.)
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To: C210N

Well he has been known to destroy naval equipment. ;-)


4 posted on 01/17/2018 10:35:04 AM PST by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Those strawberries WERE stolen, I KNOW it!


5 posted on 01/17/2018 10:36:24 AM PST by ichabod1 (People don't want to believe it be what it is but it do.)
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To: rktman

“But is homicide of any sort (even negligent) an appropriate charge here?”

It appears that we don’t yet know what the officers were actually DOING, but if men died because of their negligence, I have no problem with the charges.

IMO - to treat these “accidents” with any less seriousness would only serve to compound the negligence.


6 posted on 01/17/2018 10:41:24 AM PST by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: jonno

“””It appears that we don’t yet know what the officers were actually DOING,”””


The Oct 2017 report is quite complete-—

http://s3.amazonaws.com/CHINFO/USS+Fitzgerald+and+USS+John+S+McCain+Collision+Reports.pdf

In the case of the McCain, the CO was on the bridge and helped make a mess.

In the case of the Fitzgerald, the CO was in his ‘in port’ cabin and not in his ‘at sea’ cabin.


7 posted on 01/17/2018 10:47:25 AM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: rktman

On another site I read-—

“””As USS Fitzgerald approached the point of collision, Bridge and CIC watchstanders were poorly monitoring surface traffic and as a result were unaware of multiple contacts within ten miles of the ship. Shortly after 0100, a crossing situation developed between USS Fitzgerald and three large on-coming merchant vessels, all of which were transmitting on AIS. The merchant ships were traveling in close proximity to each other on similar courses with two overtaking the third. The OOD decided to maintain course and speed, predicting that USS Fitzgerald would cross 1500 yards ahead of what she recognized as a crossing vessel with the right of way, and began to prepare a contact report to inform the CO”””

This is on page 36 of this report-—
http://s3.amazonaws.com/CHINFO/Comprehensive+Review_Final.pdf

Is the reason for there being some obscurity is the fact the OOD on the Fitzgerald is a she?


8 posted on 01/17/2018 11:08:26 AM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

Face palm! Hadn’t heard that before. Not the Navy I was in.


9 posted on 01/17/2018 11:10:28 AM PST by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: rktman

McCain still killing US Servicemen


10 posted on 01/17/2018 11:13:06 AM PST by keving (We the government)
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To: C210N

The wretched senator has nothing to do with this.


11 posted on 01/17/2018 11:14:38 AM PST by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: ClearCase_guy

‘K.


12 posted on 01/17/2018 11:22:14 AM PST by skimbell
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To: Presbyterian Reporter
Is the reason for there being some obscurity is the fact the OOD on the Fitzgerald is a she?

This report is the first I've seen that actually refers to the sex of the OOD. Normally when writing such reports, great lengths are taken to avoid introducing bias, but this is much more candid.

Purely as an academic exercise in navigation, it would've been interesting to be a fly on the wall, on that bridge. The port wall, of course.

13 posted on 01/17/2018 11:25:16 AM PST by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: rktman
As I posted when this crap happened:

In 2003, SWOSDOC (Surface Warfare Officers Course) was shuttered, largely for financial reasons,,,,,,,,
officers went directly from commissioning sources to their ships with only a packet of computer disks........
Now it was incumbent on the ship’s CO to replace a year’s worth of intensive dawn-to-dusk training, in addition to his or her other considerable responsibilities

Bringing back the SWOSDOC would be a good start

If I was council for the defense, I would hang my hat on it.
The Navy it self was/is a major contributor to the accident

14 posted on 01/17/2018 1:07:03 PM PST by Robe (A nation can survive its fools and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

Thanks!


15 posted on 01/17/2018 3:08:50 PM PST by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: rktman

Unexpected? Absolutely not.


16 posted on 01/18/2018 3:37:12 AM PST by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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