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A Political Battle Over Dossiers, FISA Warrants and Surveillance, Clouds A Much Bigger Stor
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Posted on 01/10/2018 8:59:50 AM PST by MNDude

We are no longer taking it for granted a FISA warrant was ever given to the DOJ because NO-ONE can prove a FISA warrant exists. Heck, no-one can even point to anything that directly claims a FISA warrant was even requested. There are inferences, suspicions, media reports based on anonymous leaks, but no direct or reasonable evidence beyond innuendo. We are eighteen months past the reported origination dates, and there’s not a single official who will state a 2016 FISA warrant was applied for or granted. Therefore we must begin to question that basic assumption.

That said, the inability to prove the existence of a FISA warrant does not prove a FISA warrant doesn’t exist. Additionally, the cloud-of-uncertainty conveniently, perhaps purposely, makes it challenging to outline the liars within the intelligence community.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fisawarrant; news; nofisawarrant; sundance; trumprussia; trumpsurveillance
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1 posted on 01/10/2018 8:59:50 AM PST by MNDude
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“What a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive! - Walter Scott


2 posted on 01/10/2018 9:03:38 AM PST by odawg
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If you only have a few minutes go to the lower part that tells how Obama’s Thugs used the UK’s DCHQ to monitor candidate Trump/President Elect Trump and his people without FISA warrants!


3 posted on 01/10/2018 9:07:45 AM PST by Grampa Dave (America had regime change 20 Jan 2017! ISIS collapsed! Are Iran/Our media, the DNC/FBI/DOJ/CIA next?)
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To: MNDude

This makes a good point. Fisa may not have issued making this a grossly criminal wiretapping conspiracy . We need to know now.


4 posted on 01/10/2018 9:08:47 AM PST by raiderboy ( "...if we have to close down our government, weÂ’re building that wall" DJT)
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To: odawg

The Clinton-Obama-Rice-Police-State/GPS/FBI/DOJ/I’m with Her/MSM Sleaze Factory was operating at Mach One speed.

We, the people. demand to know the scope and dimension of information that was illegally gleaned and sent to Clinton’s Presidential campaign.......and how her campaign used it.


5 posted on 01/10/2018 9:09:16 AM PST by Liz (Our side has 8 Trillion bullets; the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use.)
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To: MNDude

Comey and Clapper are in the gunsights. The question is are they prepared to cooperate with the prosecution against all the other Obamanistas and Clintonistas.


6 posted on 01/10/2018 9:11:37 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike ("You can avoid reality, but you can't avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.")
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To: MNDude

Comey and Clapper are in the gunsights. The question is are they prepared to cooperate with the prosecution against all the other Obamanistas and Clintonistas.


7 posted on 01/10/2018 9:11:38 AM PST by Hotlanta Mike ("You can avoid reality, but you can't avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.")
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To: raiderboy

man.... this is mega huge if this is true. it all makes sense.


8 posted on 01/10/2018 9:12:35 AM PST by MNDude (God is not a Republican, but Satan is certainly a Democrat)
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FISA, SCHMEESA.

It’s about time the Obama Crime Syndicate and his Police State operations are investigated.
We are beginning to get a better picture of how sinister the Obama operation really is (its still functioning via OFA at his DC residence). The genesis of the Democrats’ “win at any cost” odious Russia misinformation campaign is suddenly clearer.

BACKSTORY Through the last half of 2016, the Obama administration was desperately searching for evidence of some link between the Trump presidential campaign and Russia.

<><> They went to great lengths, falsifying requests, twice seeking, then finally obtaining, a court-ordered FISA, that allowed them to spy on at least one Trump associate.

<><> We now know that Obama’s NSA henchman, Susan “The Sifter” Rice, had an operation wherein raw NSA intelligence was sifted through for names of Trump associates, in hopes of uncovering dirt of some sort. These efforts came up dry. The Obama administration found no compromising information about Trump or any of his associates.

<><> Ever since the Trump Inauguration, the Democratic Party, especially its NY/DC press wing, has relentlessly pushed the Trump/Russia story. But that hasn’t stopped Democrat factotums in the press from talking about little else for the last three months.

<><>This is the kicker-—— all along, the Democrats have known that their spying produced nothing.

This whole Obama/Comey/Mueller/Democrat spy apparat is almost unbelievably sordid. The relevant Congressional committees should investigate thoroughly, and criminal prosecutions should follow where laws have been broken.

The tumultuous events that have unfolded after the election and reelection of Barack Obama bring to mind the words of author Mary Shelley when her character, Victor Frankenstein, says: “I live in daily fear lest the evil monster whom I created should perpetrate some new wickedness.”


9 posted on 01/10/2018 9:13:44 AM PST by Liz (Our side has 8 Trillion bullets; the other side doesn't know which bathroom to use.)
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To: Grampa Dave

Bmrk.

No wonder Preet is constantly attacking the President on Twitter.


10 posted on 01/10/2018 9:14:26 AM PST by Bodleian_Girl
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Also at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3621088/posts

That (earlier) post has a truncated and mangled title


11 posted on 01/10/2018 9:14:52 AM PST by Cboldt
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Obama and his thugs did not need any FISA warrants to spy on/monitor/surveil Candidate Trump or President Elect Trump.

Napolitano: Obama Admin Used British GCHQ To Spy On Trump During Campaign

Posted By Tim Hains On Date March 14, 2017

On Monday, Fox News Channel judicial analyst Andrew Napolitano alleged that three intelligence sources had confirmed to him that the Obama administration used GCHQ (Britain's NSA) to spy on President Trump during the 2016 election so that there would be no paper trail.

"Three intelligence sources have informed Fox News that President Obama went outside the 'chain of command' to conduct the surveillance on Trump," he said. "Obama didn’t use the NSA, he didn’t use the CIA, he didn’t use the FBI, and he didn’t use the Department of Justice."

"What happened to the guy who ordered this? Resigned three days after Trump took office," he added.*

GCHQ nor Obama did nor required any paperwork to monitor and spy on candidate Trump.

All Obama had to do was have his AG Lynch make a phone call to Robert Hannigan @DCHQ and tell him to monitor candidate Trump and his people. No FISA stuff or judges nor paper trails.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/03/14/napolitano_obama_admin_used_british_intel_service_to_spy_on_trump_during_campaign.html

When did Mr Trump become our President? Jan 21, 2017 - Donald Trump became the 45th President of the United States on Friday, vowing to drain power from Washington elites and always put "America first" in its dealings with the world at a moment of transformative political change.

*So one might ask who resigned 2-3 days after Trump became president. It was not one of our intel guys. It was the director of Brit GCHQ intel. Go to the links below to find out who left GCHQ to spend more time with his family.

*Robert Hannigan has quit as head of GCHQ Credit: GCHQ. Gordon Rayner, Chief Reporter. 23 January 2017 • 3:32pm. Robert Hannigan, the director of GCHQ, has resigned from his job as head of one of the three Government intelligence agencies after just two years.Jan 23, 2017

GCHQ boss Robert Hannigan quits for 'personal reasons' after just two days after Trump becomes President. www.telegraph.co.uk/.../2017/.../breaking-gchq-boss-quits-personal-reasons-just-two-ye...

*GCHQ chief Robert Hannigan quits | UK news | The Guardian https://www.theguardian.com › World › UK News › GCHQ Jan 23, 2017 - In his resignation letter to the Foreign Office, which is responsible for both GCHQ and the Secret Intelligence Service, better known as MI6, Hannigan said: “As you know, I have also initiated the greatest internal change within GCHQ for 30 years, and I feel that we are now well on the way to being fit for the …

*GCHQ boss Robert Hannigan quits for 'personal reasons' after just two ... www.telegraph.co.uk › News

*Jan 23, 2017 - Robert Hannigan has quit as head of GCHQ Credit: GCHQ. Gordon Rayner, Chief Reporter. 23 January 2017 • 3:32pm. Robert Hannigan, the director of GCHQ, has resigned from his job as head of one of the three Government intelligence agencies after just two years.

*Director GCHQ to step down | GCHQ Site https://www.gchq.gov.uk/news-article/director-hannigan-gchq-step-down Jan 23, 2017 - News article - 23 Jan 2017. In an exchange of letters with the Foreign Secretary, Robert Hannigan, Director of GCHQ since 2014, has today announced his decision to step down as Director of GCHQ once a successor is in place. He explains that this is for personal reasons in a letter to the Foreign …

*GCHQ director Robert Hannigan resigns - BBC News - BBC.com www.bbc.com/news/uk-38723040 Jan 23, 2017 - 23 January 2017. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-38723040. Image copyright GCHQ Image caption Robert Hannigan took over the role in 2014. The head of Britain's electronic surveillance agency GCHQ has resigned.

12 posted on 01/10/2018 9:17:47 AM PST by Grampa Dave (America had regime change 20 Jan 2017! ISIS collapsed! Are Iran/Our media, the DNC/FBI/DOJ/CIA next?)
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To: raiderboy

You will get your answers in the same plain brown envelope that includes the truth about the deaths of Seth Rich, Vince Foster, and Marilyn Monroe.


13 posted on 01/10/2018 9:20:00 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60's....You weren't really there)
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To: MNDude

Maybe there isn’t a FISA warrant. Otherwise, why the many unmaskings ?


14 posted on 01/10/2018 9:21:08 AM PST by stylin19a (Best.Election.of.All-Times.Ever.In.The.History.Of.Ever)
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To: raiderboy

The good judge Contreras needs to step up to the plate as a “witness.”


15 posted on 01/10/2018 9:24:16 AM PST by ptsal ( Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please. - M. Twain)
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To: Liz

How does Contreras fit into the mosaic?

So many of these poisonous plotters seem to have spouses and paramours tangled up in the net.

Does the Contreras clan have any baggage?


16 posted on 01/10/2018 9:27:00 AM PST by ptsal ( Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please. - M. Twain)
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If there is no warrant this is shocking!!


17 posted on 01/10/2018 9:27:23 AM PST by raiderboy ( "...if we have to close down our government, weÂ’re building that wall" DJT)
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To: odawg

Reading Sundance suggests to me that Donald Trump’s own security is why he survived in that critical time between the election and inauguration. All the plotting and scheming and spying that was now known to have been done and the outfits that were doing it would make it seem highly likely that there were attempts or at least investigation into the possibility of making attempts on the life of the President-Elect.


18 posted on 01/10/2018 9:34:31 AM PST by arthurus (JKO)
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The media is great at spinning, misrepresenting, and ignoring facts. But I cannot imagine how they would do that if this is true.


19 posted on 01/10/2018 9:37:02 AM PST by MNDude (God is not a Republican, but Satan is certainly a Democrat)
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Q Anon who many think is Trump in his inside Circle strongly suggested that the Las Vegas shooter was from the CIA. He asked the question, what’s people have virtually no profile of their life? The answer of course was CIA.


20 posted on 01/10/2018 9:40:18 AM PST by MNDude (God is not a Republican, but Satan is certainly a Democrat)
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