“As a Christian, you understand why Jesus was born to Mary (a virgin). You understand why he ministered to men on earth. You understand why he had to die for them as typified by the sacrificial lamb going back to Adam, once Adam was cast out of the Garden of Eden. That sacrificial lamb ritual had no sigificance once our sacrifiial lamb Jesus Christ was crucified and died. You are not a sacrificial lamb.”
1 Peter 1:20
“Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,”
Christ was predetermined as the sacrificial Lamb of God....he wasn’t plan “B” if Adam failed.
“Romans 8:17 17Now if we are children, then we are heirs-heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.”
Does this say...”if indeed we share in “some” of his sufferings”??????
Indeed, you are not prepared for that which is coming every believer in Christ.
“You are not asked to die for mankind, to purchase their souls back. Jesus Christ had to die. He came to die. He could not fight it. It was his duty to submit to it.”
Let us see.....hmmmm....No self-sacrifice????
“Philippians 2:30 because he almost died for the work of Christ. He risked his life to make up for the help you yourselves could not give me.”
This just one of many examples that defy your carnal logic.
“Yes, not only did Jesus have all the resources of the universe at his disposal, but even His angels from heaven had to keep themselves in check. They could not intercede on His behalf. Jesus was not abandoned here. A part of the host from heaven was there, with Him looking on in horror, and they could do nothing. They went through that for us.”
“They could not intercede on His behalf.”
“They could not”....because they were forbidden by the very sacrificial Lamb of God that foreknew his destiny....for the sake of all mankind, but also....all creation.
If you want me to continue with the rest of your post....line by line....please let me know.
I will be praying for you.
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- As a Christian, you understand why Jesus was born to Mary (a virgin). You understand why he ministered to men on earth. You understand why he had to die for them as typified by the sacrificial lamb going back to Adam, once Adam was cast out of the Garden of Eden. That sacrificial lamb ritual had no significance once our sacrificial lamb Jesus Christ was crucified and died. You are not a sacrificial lamb.
= 1 Peter 1:20
= “Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,”
= Christ was predetermined as the sacrificial Lamb of God....he wasn’t plan “B” if Adam failed.
Please read my words again carefully. I did not state or infer that Jesus was in effect a "Plan B". The inception of using a lamb as sacrifice to point forward to Jesus death on the cross is what was instituted after sin. It would have been pointless to do so prior to sin. Further, it is a foundational acceptance amongst Christians that God has knowledge of everything past, present, and future. You would probably do well to accept that other Christians besides yourself are aware of this. It would both allow you to see things in their proper light, and it would help you to avoid insulting someone who might be a new Christian, thus helping to drive them away, as a self-proclaimed "really savvy Christian" corrects and then offends them greviously in error.
- You are not asked to die for mankind, to purchase their souls back. Jesus Christ had to die. He came to die. He could not fight it. It was his duty to submit to it.
= “Romans 8:17 17
= Now if we are children, then we are heirs-heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.”
= Does this say...”if indeed we share in “some” of his sufferings”??????
= Indeed, you are not prepared for that which is coming every believer in Christ.
= Let us see.....hmmmm....No self-sacrifice????
We are not asked to die for mankind to purchase their souls back. If we come into a situation not related to our beliefs in God, we do have a right to defend ourselves. If a man tries to harm your family, you should defend with prejudice your family to the full extent you can. If you are challenged by a group or the government to declare the Christian God not to be the ruler of the universe, it's a different matter. I would say even this would be predicated on the premise you could not avoid answering to the authority over the issue. I do not buy into the idea I should stand by and watch my wife and children be destroyed, if I could physically prevent it. If I we were helpless in front of the government, then I think we should pronounce our belief in and dedication to God.
In some settings, I don't think we need to lie down and die. In some settings I don't think we can avoid it.
As a Christian, I would expect you to understand this.
= “Philippians 2:30 because he almost died for the work of Christ. He risked his life to make up for the help you yourselves could not give me.”
= This just one of many examples that defy your carnal logic.
I'm not sure if you'll grasp this, but you are an abusive Christian. Your attempt at an insult here is illogical. I have given Biblical examples of God backing armies and others in using brutal force to defend themselves. Is that evidence of a "Carnal" God? What is the story of David, if not this very thing? I did not state that Christians would never be called on to die for their beliefs, but stopping someone from robing your home, raping your wife or daughter, or interceding with force to stop someone from killing any of them or yourself is not evil. It is standing up to evil.
It is illogical to claim that we are all called on to sacrifice our lives. If this were true, Christianity would not exist. Christians would all be dead. Once word got out that they were all pushovers for any sort of evil, they would be vulnerable to every attack for any cause. God does not call on each and every one of us to submit to death when attacked by evil people.
- Yes, not only did Jesus have all the resources of the universe at his disposal, but even His angels from heaven had to keep themselves in check. They could not intercede on His behalf. Jesus was not abandoned here. A part of the host from heaven was there, with Him looking on in horror, and they could do nothing. They went through that for us.
- They could not intercede on His behalf.
- = “They could not”....because they were forbidden by the very sacrificial Lamb of God that foreknew his destiny....for the sake of all mankind, but also....all creation.
Back to this again. First of all, you jumped to an unsupportable conclusion by refuting what wasn't said or implied, and now you're back to doing it again.
If you want me to continue with the rest of your post....line by line....please let me know.
You are welcome to do whatever you like. I would ask you to please refrain from being wildly off base as you were above.
I will be praying for you.
Good. While you're at it, pray for forgiveness.