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To: grania

I don’t think America should intervene militarily in Iran. Covertly, yes, but with caution, with emphasis on cultivating a secession movement in the Akhwazi region. I cite China as an example of a country that endured a prolonged period of total chaos, its sovereignty disrespected in the worst way, and eventually it settled on its own internal gyroscope, ingrained in it by millenia of civilized habits. Communism merely was the philosophy that it happened to to adopt. But Taiwan and Hong Kong, both capitalistic, did the same within their respective borders, because Chinese civilization is that durable.

Iran has already had one revolution in recent memory. It was taken over by Shiite fanatics who have been busily undermining the civilized values long-ingrained in Iranian society from the times of the Sasanid monarchy. It can withstand another, long-overdue revolution, hopefully triggered by the secession of the Akhwazis with their oil fields, and then stabilize around their internal gyroscope.

Eventually, the same process will occur in Europe, but right now the sh!t is still getting sprayed around by the fan there.

Syria and Iraq are bad examples. They were run by totalitarian, fascist regimes for decades. That’s not civilized society, merely the repression of society to enforce order.

Manipulated regime change that benefits Saudia and Israel? What? By not getting nuked and not having an arms race? Well, yeah, that benefits everybody, including the Iranian people, who would otherwise be obliterated in a counter strike. But above all else it would benefit the Iranian people, because they would no longer have their lives run by corrupt, parasitic Muslim clerics who want to nuke neighboring countries. With a free and independent Akhwazistan that owes its emancipation to the United States’ support, you would have a pro-American member of OPEC, and a de-clawed Iran with no oil to speak of, even if the Mullahs do manage to hang on to power.

As for Venezuela and American cities, they are of the new world. North Americans have democracy ingrained in their psyche, but not civilization. Venezuelans have neither.


25 posted on 12/31/2017 2:38:11 AM PST by Eleutheria5 (“If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization, then be prepared to accept barbarism.)
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To: Eleutheria5

We respectfully disagree. The very survival of civilization is at stake. The enduring problem....too many people, too little that provides focus in their lives. Any vacuum will be filled by them. We’ve armed, trained, and enabled anarchists in Syria and Iraq, among other places. I seriously doubt that those who live in the countries the US has destabilized say they’re better off now. The exception would be those who have benefitted from doing the US’s dirty work in destabilizing their countries and plan to be propped up to take over. If there’s any country that stands out for a disgusting ruling party, it’s Saudi Arabia. Yet they’re our ally. I do wish President Trump would get out of the Mideast, like he campaigned, and worry about bringing stability to the US.


26 posted on 12/31/2017 3:52:26 AM PST by grania (Deplorable and Proud of It!)
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