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Queen Elizabeth Class Carriers Have Woefully Inadequate Close-In Air Defense Capabilities
The Drive ^ | December 22, 2017 | Tyler Rogoway

Posted on 12/24/2017 8:27:26 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

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1 posted on 12/24/2017 8:27:27 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Sounds like an easy fix.


2 posted on 12/24/2017 8:30:30 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Jeeze, they can’t even make the deck flat. Don’t tell me they are using EEOC types to build these things.


3 posted on 12/24/2017 8:35:55 AM PST by BobL (I shop at Walmart...I just don't tell anyone)
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To: BenLurkin

I have always wondered why we have so little on our carriers, they are huge, a few thousand tons for tripling the amount of AA would be nothing.


4 posted on 12/24/2017 8:36:02 AM PST by orionrising
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To: orionrising

is this the same carrier suffering from a failed prop shaft seal ?


5 posted on 12/24/2017 8:36:59 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Baseball players, gangsters and musicians are remembered. But journalists are forgotten.)
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To: BobL

“...Don’t tell me they are using EEOC types to build these things....”

Naaa...they’r problably using some of those highly sophisticated, intelligent muzzies they’ve been importing the last few years. You know, odongo’s boys.... /s


6 posted on 12/24/2017 8:39:38 AM PST by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Modifying a ship for a function it was inadequately designed for could be colossally expensive. I think the technology is here for a couple of dedicated, AI enhanced, swarm ships that would cruise very close to the Queen Elizabeth on both sides, bow and stern. These small ships would be cheap enough to just swap out if the technology changes beyond whatever defenses they already have installed. Networked in with the entire fleet’s defenses they’d have a heads-up for attacks that might otherwise be out of their radar envelope due to their small size. The AI feature would allow them to begin firing in the right vicinity even before they could, themselves, see the incoming missile.

Bear in mind; modern missiles maneuver when they get in range of the target. Therefore whatever retrofitted system used by the QE would need to be very robust. Missiles are generally moving faster than the mechanical slew rate and projectile travel time of any weapons system.


7 posted on 12/24/2017 8:40:31 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I remember seeing photos of WWII battleships and aircraft carriers.

As the war progressed and newer ships were built and older ones refitted, they added huge numbers of anti-aircraft guns.


8 posted on 12/24/2017 8:41:43 AM PST by yarddog
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To: BenLurkin

Ping


9 posted on 12/24/2017 8:42:05 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BobL

What they should do is purchase an American vessel. Or at least use the American design.


10 posted on 12/24/2017 8:43:22 AM PST by Brilliant
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> “Jeeze, they can’t even make the deck flat.”

That’s a skateboard ramp for recreation.


11 posted on 12/24/2017 8:44:58 AM PST by jim_trent
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To: Brilliant

They’d sail on the wrong side of the ocean and have learn to use imperial measurements.


12 posted on 12/24/2017 8:51:10 AM PST by wally_bert (I didn't get where I am today by selling ice cream tasting of bookends, pumice stone & West Germany)
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To: BenLurkin

Perhaps its AA upgrade will be a laser-based defense.
We’re not too far from deploying that operationally.


13 posted on 12/24/2017 9:01:31 AM PST by Reily
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To: yarddog

Despite the additional number of guns what made them most effective was the proximity fuze.


14 posted on 12/24/2017 9:20:52 AM PST by pfflier
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To: yarddog
As the war progressed and newer ships were built and older ones refitted, they added huge numbers of anti-aircraft guns.

Quite so. Just as an example, a pre-war Fletcher-class destroyer had AA armament of a quadruple 1.1" gun mount and 6 .50 caliber machine guns. By the end of the war, it also had as many as 10 40mm Bofors AA guns and a dozen 20mm autocannons.

15 posted on 12/24/2017 9:25:24 AM PST by Simon Green
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Here's the basic problem: Russia spends 5.6% of its GDP on defense, roughly $70 billion, depending on how you figure it.

The US now spends 3.3% of GDP on defense, about $600 billion, under Obama, woefully inadequate for treaty & other military commitments.
We should be at least 4% which is roughly $800 billion.

The world average defense spending is 2.2% of GDP and rising.

The Brits spend just 1.9% of their GDP on defense, circa $50 billion, a ludicrous number and if they refuse to match US spending percent, then the difference should be paid to the US treasury for the invaluable service of keeping their sorry hindquarters safe.

16 posted on 12/24/2017 9:27:46 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

That’s why they lost HMS Sheffield in ‘82...


17 posted on 12/24/2017 9:30:51 AM PST by CapandBall
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To: yarddog

FWIW, the Iowa and South Dakota class battleships could put up almost 49,000 pounds of lead a minute. I am pretty sure that this figured on cyclic rates and not operational rates.

A late WW-II Gearing class destroyer could put up almost 20,000 pounds a minute.

Citation...http://www.combinedfleet.com/b_aa.htm

Regards

alfa6 ;>}


18 posted on 12/24/2017 9:36:21 AM PST by alfa6
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To: jim_trent

LOL!


19 posted on 12/24/2017 9:41:59 AM PST by BobL (I shop at Walmart...I just don't tell anyone)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Well, heck, she has no aircraft, so why waste an ASM on her?


20 posted on 12/24/2017 10:20:52 AM PST by doorgunner69 (No video seems to happen a lot when they shoot somebody..........)
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