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To: Wonder Warthog
Wonder Warthog: "So, what are JAGS's trained to answer when commanding officers are ordered by an elected President and Congress to "go get civilian guns"??"

Not being a trained JAG myself, I couldn't answer, but common sense says it would be something like: "Sir, you can't do that, it's not constitutional."

Wonder Warthog: "Given Obama's obvious success at infesting the command structure with leftists, such corruption certainly appears possible."

Btw, you've not specifically mentioned Waco/Koresh but there's a modern day example which certainly did happen.
Today I don't remember details, except there were Zippers Clintoon, Janet Reno & Wesley Clark involved...
Ended very badly, but I don't think the issue there was confiscation of weapons...
And wasn't that the National Guard, not regular army troops?

Wonder Warthog: " One is a violation and usurpation of the Constitution.
The other is the legal fulfillment of the Constitution according to its own internal requirements."

I commend your willingness to draw that distinction, and agree.

Wonder Warthog: "Yeah, it boils down to "what, me worry" (Alfred E. Neuman)."

But I do worry, though not so much about your specific scenario.
What worries me is the bigger picture: that Obummer did his level best to turn "who we were" into "who we are", meaning good little multicultural, no borders, global warming alarmist socialists.
Now President Trump & most Republicans in Congress (sadly, not all) are doing their level best to reverse Zero's "achievements".
The Left's response has been open cultural warfare from the "main stream" media, academia, Deep State and Hollywood.
If that works in 2018 to wipe out Republican majorities, I'd say it's "Katie bar the door" -- open season on conservatives in general, Trump especially.

But for your scenario to play out, Dems would also need to stack the Supreme Court to, in effect, abolish the Second Amendment by decree -- similar to the overreaching of Dred-Scott and Roe v Wade (also strong Democrat SCOTUS majorities).
That would take time, I can't see it happening overnight, but now suppose all the illegal aliens suddenly received amnesty on condition they vote for Democrats?

It would mean we've lost, bigly, and the Second Amendment would not, by far, be the only one under assault.

So sure, be afraid, be very afraid, there's plenty of reason for it.

"Impeach 45"

244 posted on 12/27/2017 3:43:07 PM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK
"Not being a trained JAG myself, I couldn't answer, but common sense says it would be something like: "Sir, you can't do that, it's not constitutional."

Yes, but are they (JAGs) specifically trained to draw that judgment?? Where is the training that identifies a usurpation of the Constitution as an illegal order. SOMEWHERE in the military chain of command, such questions have to have been discussed and training done. It "should" be done at all levels, from the War College (generals and admirals), in the military academies, even in ROTC.

I'd be satisfied if the Congress were to specifically state that it is an act of treason for the military to participate in civilian firearm confiscation. Or for Trump as Commander-in-Chief to issue an equivalent presidential order. Possi comitatus was bypassed. I'd like to see us get at least SOME of the legal protection restored.

The very examples you provided show how close we have come to the situation I (and a LOT of other folks) worry about.

246 posted on 12/27/2017 7:55:45 PM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel and NRA Life Member)
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