> Who is the victim here? She chose what she was going to wear. <
Let’s say a guy always wanted an expensive sports car. So he buys one, then parks it in a bad part of town. The car gets stolen. That guy sure was stupid. But he is still a victim.
Same goes with a woman who wears revealing clothing. That’s often a stupid thing to do. But if she’s then sexually harassed, she’s still a victim.
And I’m using the term “sexual harassment” narrowly here. Saying vulgar things to that woman is sexual harassment. So is touching her without her permission.
But saying “nice outfit” or “you look pretty” is not harassment. But the PC types would say that it is.
Good example.
This topic has generated a fair amount of discussion in my household. This morning, I pointed out to my husband that a good guideline might be for a man to ask whether he would say or do (whatever) to a same-sex coworker.
For example, I will say, “You look really sharp today!” to a male friend, and I’ll say, “You look great today!” to a female friend, in recognition that the person has made an effort with his or her appearance. I’ll tell a male friend that his beard looks distinguished, and I’ll tell a female friend that I like her new hairdo.
“Same goes with a woman who wears revealing clothing. That’s often a stupid thing to do. But if she’s then sexually harassed, she’s still a victim.”
Does going commando in a mini skirt count or should that just be ignored?
Interesting analogy. I agree. You can be a “stupid victim” and deserve to hold some level of responsibility, while not excusing the perpetrator. To the extreme; really hot girl goes to seedy bar, all drunk men, gets drunk herself, and starts to “flash”, expecting all hands will be kept to themselves....becomes “shocked” when they don’t.
It appears that today kissing somebody when you didn’t ask permission beforehand is a really dangerous thing, even if you thought it would be obviously welcomed. Two people who realize they have an attraction do this all the time. Now men, and only men it appears, are being held to subjective “rules” that, if broken, can destroy them.
Our society can’t survive this...which is probably the goal for some. So while we engage in this stupidity, our Islamic communities breed like rabbits and will, eventually, replace our ethics to the opposite. Congratulations feminists!