Posted on 12/10/2017 3:11:44 PM PST by BunnySlippers
The so-called Thomas Fire is only 15 percent contained, now threatening the city of Santa Barbara and the nearby coastal town of Carpinteria, and is on track to become one of the worst wildfires in California history.
It has already destroyed 583 structures and scorched 173,000 acres, the authorities say. New evacuations were ordered in Carpinteria, which been under fire threat for days.
The new evacuation zone extends within two miles of the Santa Barbara Zoo.
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And all that chaparral was designed to burn naturally and periodically, before Europeans even came there the LA Basin was called valley of the smokes by the native population.
Just look at pictures of the area before 1945, but you do have to open your eyes and MIND to see it.
I grew up in the Montebello area in the late 40’s up to the early 60’s.
Everything that wasn’t citrus, was vegetable fields, Avocados, or dairy farms.
Firestone Blvd. was a two lane semi-country road where Cal Worthington used to hawk, bait, and switch his used cars.
We used to catch trout in the San Gabriel and Rio Hondo rivers and hunt pheasant and quail in the cut over fields.
The entire region was nothing but that. People came and grew all that and everything else. And they started importing water. I’m talking about before the 40s. Way before.
Look at the earliest images of of S. CA. Tell me what you see. I can assure you it looked pretty much like a desert landscape. No orchards, no citrus, no vegetable fields.
Here is what I'm talking about. Burbank 1889. Look at the ground. Look at those hills. Looks pretty much like barren desert, right?
My point way back on this thread was, if you shut off the water, in 12 months S. CA starts to resemble a desert. 18 months no water, most everything is dead or dying.
>All of So Cal is a desert. Do you live in CA?
Most of CA is either Scrub land or desert, with desert being the majority.
>2. O.K., Santa Barbara might not be a desert, but it is dry more of the year than Greece or Italy, both of which have annual average precip much greater than Santa Barbara, as is true for a good amount of the coast of SOUTHERN California; which I have always heard referred to as semi-arid in climate.
The non-technical team is scrub country. Good for raising cattle and horses, but not for farming. Irrigation changed that.
> Here is what I’m talking about. Burbank 1889. Look at the ground. Look at those hills. Looks pretty much like barren desert, right?
>My point way back on this thread was, if you shut off the water, in 12 months S. CA starts to resemble a desert. 18 months no water, most everything is dead or dying.
You’d be wrong. The 1800s in CA was very dry. The 1900s was pretty wet. Take the same picture 30 years later it would be semi-arid(scub), not desert.
Don’t believe me. If you live in S. CA. shut your water supply off for 18 months and see how everything looks around on your property. You better like dead vegetation and scrub.
Don’t believe me. If you live in S. CA. shut your water supply off for 18 months and see how everything looks around on your property. You better like dead vegetation and scrub.
I am eagerly waiting for the end of the calendar year so I may finally put California out of my financial life...I grew tired of playing insurgent, though I miss going to the beach...from now on California is just a place to visit. And if concealed carry reciprocity passes, I'll be sure to enjoy it more, heheh.
Congratulations on your escape! Although California does have the best geography in the United States as far as I’m concerned, mountains to beaches, it has it all. Oh well it’s just not worth it with all the liberals ruining it. If Trump will get the mass deportations started I might reconsider.
California is a large state with many great people.
The problem is—they are outnumbered by the leftard jerks.
When I lived in CA I was surrounded by hateful, anti-American mouth breathers who wanted folks like me to step in front of a bus.
THOSE are the folks I want to die, not the good ones.
Back in June I had to do some work in Carpentaria outside of Santa Barbara. Let me start by saying the whole area is breathtakingly beautiful. I envy you who live there.
I took my 16 year old son with me so he could see the sites. We also went all over the LA area. Griffith Observatory and La Brea Tar Pits were his favorites (he wants to be a scientist). We do not hate California in any way. Would love to live there but can’t afford it. We live in Alabama with a 20 acre mini-farm and my taxes are only $400 a month. Doubt if I could make that happen in the Golden state!
Anyway, my son was a big fan of Carl’s Jr. We have Hardee’s everywhere here but it has about 1/3 the menu items of Carl’s. So, after repeated meals at the Carpentaria Carl’s, my son befriended the workers there, who were all Hispanic. He asked one of them if they lived in Carpentaria. The guy snorted and said no! He said Carl’s doesn’t pay enough for even a shack there. He and most of the others lived in Ventura, Thousand Oaks, Ojai etc. in cheap apartments and drove to work. He said that was true for almost all of the service workers in the whole area by the coast.
Correction, my property tax is $400 a YEAR.
“California is a large state with many great people. ....... The problem is—they are outnumbered by the leftard jerks.”
Totally true.
Its great diversity and awesome beauty is rendered such a shame because of the squalor of its dominant political class.
California is like the Statue of Liberty in chains.
Oh please. Get a life.
That is true.
You keep harping on the fact that non native vegetation would die if the water supply was cut off. Duh! What would happen to the people of New York City if 90 percent of their water supply, which comes from 120 miles away, was cut off? Of course Southern California is way overpopulated beyond the natural capacity to support that population. No one is disputing that. I am simply stating the fact that the original assertion that all of Southern California is desert is simply not true, and every climate classification confirms that.
Big Bear is not in a desert. It gets over 40 inches of precipitation for God’s sake! It’s in a forest!
Those transverse mountain ranges, along with the Pacific Ocean, are why the coastal areas are NOT deserts. The ocean moderates the temperature, and the mountains force the moisture of the prevailing easternly winds to fall BEFORE it hits the desert areas which are EAST of these mountains.
This is basic stuff.
Once again, if ya don't believe the S.CA coastal plain was basically desert before they imported the water, I can't help ya.
Here is the San Fernando valley circa 1800s....Look at those hills and ground. If not for the trillions of gallons of water CA now IMPORTS, it would quickly return to this. Add in 25,000,000 THIRSTY people into the region noways...You can figure it out? Right? Shut off the water in this region and it would fast become a baren dusty landscape...Like it was before.
Here is a very early pic of the San Fernando valley before millions of people, prior to water importation and before was all but concreted over.
Looks like a desert like landscape to me. Open your eyes. ☺
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