Posted on 12/09/2017 7:05:48 AM PST by marktwain
The U.S. House of Representatives has passed H.R. 38, recently amended to be the “Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017“. The vote is expected to occur today, 6 December, 2017. The U.S. House of Representatives has passed H.R. 38, recently amended to be the “Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017“.
People who can legally carry concealed weapons have been found to be exceptionally law-abiding. Evidence exists that the carry of concealed weapons decreases the violent crime rate a small amount. At the worst, the evidence shows the crime rate is not increased.
The leadership of the Democrats comes from states that have resisted the restoration of Second Amendment rights with all the power and tools at their disposal. Those states are Deep Blue California, New York, Illinois, Hawaii, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Maryland, Delaware and Rhode Island. Senators there do not face significant Republican opposition.
If the Republicans in the House pass Concealed Carry Reciprocity, which is likely, the pressure will mount in the Senate to pass the bill. The Senate has a small majority of Republicans, 52 to 48.
Every Republican Senator comes from a state that has either a Shall issue law, where every person that may legally purchase a handgun from a federal dealer can obtain a permit to carry one concealed, or Constitutional Carry, where the same large majority of people do not need a permit to carry concealed. 18 Republican senators are from Constitutional Carry states, 34 are from Shall Issue states. Of Democrat Senators, 16 are from restrictive May Issue states, 24 are from Shall Issue states, and 6 are from Constitutional Carry states.
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Maybe President Trump can leverage it to get it to pass.
It would be good politics for Democrats to pass it, but gun control is in the Progressive DNA.
The Dems should have no problem with it. Plenty of their constituents carry. Wise up Dems.
I seriously doubt McCOnnell will even allow this to be brought up in the senate
If this passes, there may not be enough popcorn to enjoy watching the lib pols reactions, especially in CA, NYC, NY, NJ, etc.
I also wonder how they will try to get around this.
I know this will P.O. some FReepers, but I’m conflicted on this one. As a CWP holder I would love to be able to carry anywhere on the good old USA without fear. But as a life long conservative it worries me a bit that the R’s are pushing this, because it appears to be an infringement on states rights. In the future, when the Libs resume power (and they will some day) they will use Concealed reciprocity as an example of how to force states to swallow their federally mandated SJW, liberal agenda.
I must agree with Aftergaurd. Fix right to carry on the state level. I could see National Reciprocity used against us big time.
“, because it appears to be an infringement on states rights”
Think 2nd Amendment. It’s in the US Constitution.
I’ve wondered about that too. Methinks the judiciary appointments over the next seven years will be an effective barrier to BS lawsuits.
The Bill of Rights infringe on State Power.
States do not have rights. They have powers.
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“, because it appears to be an infringement on states rights”
Think 2nd Amendment. It’s in the US Constitution.
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Concur. This is moot and a waste of time (Hell, I say more of the latter. Then they don’t have the time to F* We over worse than it is).
Course, the (R)NC couldn’t articulate itself out of a wet Kleenex, and 1/2 of FR seem to ‘debate’ from “Step 20” using Leftist verbiage...
Own and bear arms is not a state controlled law, it’s an inalienable right above control of the states and federal control.
I know I would love to be able to carry while visiting in California, knowing Californians can’t. New york, New Jersey too! Screw you Bloomberg!
Never mind angering us AfterGuard, just keep the discussion going.
Infringing on states rights? Every right in our constitution is an infringement because the federal constitution restricts the states as well as the central government. This idea has been absolutely settled through the loss of over six hundred thousand men’s life’s blood.
When Libs return to power, they will use anything, anything at all to get what they want. If “forcing the states” is a real concern, (it is,) then leaving gun-bearers to be jailed in New York, Massachusetts or Hawai is not the way to solve it. Better first to destroy any politician who uses or supports Revenue Sharing.
Is the second amendment my carry permit? Well yes, certainly before God, and you may in good conscience carry a concealed handgun into a New York City Elementary School. You may then worship God at any NYC church and have NOTHING* to confess, but you had better not get caught...!
Here is my plan: Pass national reciprocity. When NYC then jails a gun bearer, the president calls for troops, 70,000 from each state to attack New York. Declaring war on every state that resists, we win that war, (may God defend the right,) and use federal troops to occupy and control those states for ten years, until there is no person left who can enslave a gun bearer ever again. Forevermore afterward, a national holiday reveres those who gave “the last full measure” to defend the rights of all men and restore the second amendment.
Concealed carry reciprocity is an example of how to force states to swallow our Divinely mandated** constitutional agenda.
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*A Bible teacher for 40 years, I will explain Romans 13 to anyone who needs it, through a private reply, s’il vous plait.
**So said Jefferson in the opening lines of the Declaration.
Another thought about precedent setting: We are using their gay marriage precedent against them. They forced the states to accept gay marriages from any state, and now they are gonna have to accept concealed carry from any state.
Of course what happens when any liberal judge throws out concealed carry?
Concealed Carry "permits" (or, at least, the requirement to have them) are themselves a violation of the 2nd Amendment. I don't see anything about "permits" in there.
"Shall not be infringed"
Pelosi (SUPPOSEDLY) said Reciprocity will bring about more deaths from guns and gun violence.
I FINALLY AGREE WITH SOMETHING SHE SAID..
Next time some ‘yahoo’ in a ‘gun restricted’ state pulls a weapon on someone, that someone will not be ‘afraid’ to draw down on the clown who ‘started it’.
I carry WHEREVER I go now and am reluctant to ‘use it’ in some jurisdictions— and no, I wouldn’t shoot you any ‘faster’ now but I may worry less about the repercussions because I protected myself, but at least we will LEGALLY have an opportunity to protect oneself.
Take it to court and have it struck down on 10th Amendment grounds would be my guess.
Think 10th Amendment. That's in the Constitution too.
I totally agree. “Bear arms” is all we should need.
“Think 10th Amendment. That’s in the Constitution too. “
The 10th take affect after the federal authorities. The 2nd is federal. The States don’t get to use the 10th to override it.
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