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No, Forcing Jews To Bake Swastika Cakes Is Not Like Forcing Homophobes To Bake Gay Cakes
The Forward ^ | Jenny Singer | December 8, 2017

Posted on 12/08/2017 10:57:09 AM PST by nickcarraway

New Year’s resolutions: get outdoors more often, read more books, and stop hanging out with people who only bring up the Holocaust as a way to illustrate unrelated arguments and never to talk about the systematic murder of six million Jews.

This week the editorial board of the Chicago Tribune published an editorial, “Wedding Cakes And Conscience,” contending that a baker in Colorado being forced to design a wedding cake for a gay couple would constitute a violation of his freedom of expression. To illustrate the point, the Tribune encouraged readers to understand Colorado baker Jack Phillips’ predicament, saying, “imagine a Jewish baker being required to put a swastika on a cake.”

Read more: https://forward.com/schmooze/389592/no-forcing-jews-to-bake-swastika-cakes-is-not-like-forcing-homophobes-to-ba/

The newspaper rounded off the article about why the gay couple should stop “forcing a baker to swallow his objections” by pointing out that the cake situation is not the same as Black Americans being turned away from businesses during the Jim Crow area, since the issue there was just that a lot of the time Black people needed to use the bathroom, which is a “basic bodily function.” You know, that thing that happens after you eat a cake with a swastika on it.

Freedom of expression really is an amazing thing. In only one article, a newspaper managed to take anti-Semitism out of context to make a point about how gay people should be grateful and stop complaining, while saying that the Black civil rights movement was mostly propelled by the need to use the bathroom.

Is there a journalism award for insulting three minority groups at once? If so, nominate the Tribune.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: backward; bakethecake; forward; gaymirage; homosexualagenda; jeanvaljenny; jewishdailybackward; masterpiececakeshop; phillips; ssm; supremecourt; swastikas
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To: No.6

I saw that. The Won went full Godwin, merely because the 2016 election of over a year ago did not have the “consequences” he sought.


121 posted on 12/08/2017 6:59:09 PM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: kaehurowing
Actually, a close analogy is forcing a kosher deli to sell ham sandwiches with a milkshake.

A closer analogy is forcing a moflake bakery to bake a fag cake. Only the media would never cover the story of some poor dykes getting kicked out of a moslim, goat smelling, bakery.

122 posted on 12/08/2017 7:02:55 PM PST by Sirius Lee (In God We Trust, In Trump We Fix America)
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To: nickcarraway
Exactly correct. That quote of his comes from a review of Bruno Bauer’s The Jewish Question titled On “The Jewish Question”. Both Bauer and Marx push the notion of abolition of religion in general, but for the Jews to lose their national and religious identity in particular.
123 posted on 12/08/2017 7:35:05 PM PST by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: DoodleDawg
Last I checked Nazis were not a protected class in any state.

No, but if they were as homosexual marriage is then the argument holds. If it was against the law to discriminate against Nazis, and the right to use the swastika was treated as sacrosanct, then a baker or a sign maker who refused to use his talent to create a work using it would be considered guilty of discrimination, if the gov. was consistent with its punishment of Phillips.

124 posted on 12/08/2017 8:17:29 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: DoodleDawg
It's a good analogy only if the Jewish deli sold ham sandwiches to other people but refused to sell to it to the plaintiff. If an establishment does not sell a item to anyone then it can't be discrimination if they refuse to sell it to you.

That would only be analogous if Phillips refused to simply sell them a cake (which he says he did not do), versus a special work of art. To refuse to so the former would be clear discrimination, while to refuse to do the latter falls under artistic freedom.

125 posted on 12/08/2017 8:23:25 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: fuzzylogic
For the State to force them into such a contract is nothing more than compelled speech, coerced speech, forced servitude, etc.. - with the threat of financially (or worse) destroying them if they do not comply. That is tyranny, pure and simple

And it seems some liberal recording "artists" forbid Republicans from using their songs, refusing to grant them license to do so.

126 posted on 12/08/2017 8:36:40 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: Little Ray; redleghunter; Springfield Reformer; kinsman redeemer; BlueDragon; metmom; boatbums; ...
No. Forcing a Jew make a cake with Nazi swatika on it is not like forcing Christian make a cake for a homosexual, because your political conscience is NOT protected by the First Amendment, whereas the free practice of religion IS protected.

No, in both cases the refusal is due to religion, thus morality, which extends to political positions. And to be true in the analogy, the Christian is not being forced to simply make a cake for a homosexual, but a special work of art with the moral equivalent of a swastika.

127 posted on 12/08/2017 8:40:53 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: ronniesgal
ouch. While i would bake the cake for a gay wedding, or sell the flowers, i would not be the photographer. U just drop off the other 2 things. The photographer actually has to stay and participate. and no i do not support gay marriage.

Whether you sell the gun for the murder you know it is being purchased for, or deliver it, who are an accessory to the crime. The only difference is that God is the supreme law-giver and judge, and it is to Him we must answer.

128 posted on 12/08/2017 8:46:38 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: nickcarraway
I’m Catholic. If I went into a bakery to get a cake for a Confirmation (or something else) and the person said they believe Catholicism is a cult and they won’t bake a cake for a Catholic event, I would have no desire to force them to make a cake. And I wouldn’t support any other Catholic suing them. What would be the point?

The point is to intimid-ate all who would dare stand in the way of the homosexual agenda .

The only difference in your analogy is that the objection is to supporting a theological practice, versus support a immoral practice, though to compromise one's beliefs is immoral.

However, as long as it is a common service one can get someplace else, I would support a Catholic baker having freedom to refuse to bake a "Happy Birthday Reformation" cake.

If SCOTUS can prevent forcing a Sabbatharian to work on that day under the premise that the company can easily get another to supply the service, then a Jack Philipps should not be forced to provide a service against what he considers sacred.

But the since this allowance of protection can be a slippery slope which get outs of hand (a Farrakhan disciple refusing to make a birthday cake for "white devils"), then besides not making choosing sexual preference a civil right in the first place perhaps the solution is to broadly forbid discrimination but fine violators simply the amount of any additional cost of the replacement and in compensation to the person's inconvenience, not hurt feeling$.

129 posted on 12/08/2017 9:09:50 PM PST by daniel1212 (Trust the risen Lord Jesus to save you as a damned and destitute sinner + be baptized + follow Him)
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To: daniel1212

We have a local sandwich shop which is popular due to its to die for sandwiches (never went there nor will going by eyewitness testimony). The guy is Italian and hates everyone who is not. He has racist handbills and articles posted in the shop offensive to just about everyone. He curses at customers who bring up the offensive materials. He also is just plain rude and abusive. Yet people line up to get his sandwiches. Many have complained and tried to get him shut down but given he is an equal opportunity offender he is given a pass.

Many local politicians are resigned people will vote with their feet but they are not so far. Weird situation and really surprised this guy gets business. I mean how good can a sandwich be!

The Yelp reviews are shocking. One person said, yeah he’s a bigot but when you get your meatball sub you forget about that. Another said the decor is adult profane but the pizza crust is the best.

Amazing. Two coworkers mentioned they should go in there (both men) holding hands and ask him to cater their gay wedding. Lol I told them not to.


130 posted on 12/08/2017 11:13:35 PM PST by redleghunter (Truly my soul waiteth upon God: from him cometh my salvation. He only is my rock and my salvation)
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To: Skywise

They’re not stupid - they want to make rules that restrict us BUT DON’T APPLY TO THEM.


131 posted on 12/08/2017 11:20:31 PM PST by GOPJ (Katie Couric - do a 'special' on NBC women who 'put out' to move up the corporate ladder...)
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As usual the Forward is wrong, less common the Tribune is right. Any black bakers out there better get ready to make some noose cookies.

132 posted on 12/09/2017 2:51:50 AM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
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To: nickcarraway

5 million other people died in the Holocaust. When will that be acknowledged by the Forweird?


133 posted on 12/09/2017 3:02:41 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Women prefer men with money and muscles. DUH!)
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To: daniel1212
No, but if they were as homosexual marriage is then the argument holds.

But they aren't so the argument doesn't.

134 posted on 12/09/2017 3:41:38 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: nickcarraway

GODWIN’s law came EARLY in this thread!


135 posted on 12/09/2017 5:12:08 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: daniel1212
I've yet to see ANYONE 'forced' to bake a cake against their wishes.

I have seen a LOT of THREATS of quite dire things that will allegedly happen to that person if they do NOT bake a cake.

136 posted on 12/09/2017 5:16:42 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: mastertex
Man, I”d love to bake a Gay person a cake...come on...you'll love it.....it'll be very juicy.

He uses a recipe that I gave him.

137 posted on 12/09/2017 5:19:17 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Genesis 19:9

“Get out of our way,” they replied. “This fellow came here as a foreigner, and now he wants to play the judge! We’ll treat you worse than them.” They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door.


138 posted on 12/09/2017 5:21:07 AM PST by Theophilus (Repent)
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To: Olog-hai
Sexual “orientation” is not immutable. Romans 1:26-27 describes it as a change (literally, “exchange”) from natural to unnatural.

 



But there IS hope!!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.


If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...

139 posted on 12/09/2017 5:23:27 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: nickcarraway

Yes, it is.

But that does not show up on the radar of those who want to push their agenda.


140 posted on 12/09/2017 5:25:10 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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