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To: exDemMom
Seriously Mom? A mere 5% of our gene code coming in from viral sources over 10 million generations and you think that that is comparable to what is being done in genetic engineering labs today? They are pushing pieces of genetic material in at a million times the natural rates and of course there won't be any unexpected consequences because we have the word of you, a real scientist on that. Wow. You are a prideful one, aren't you Mom?

And I see you want to go back to our CO2 conversation which you abandoned last time when I disproved your assertion that all biomass comes originally from the process of photosynthesis. Well, here again is the link to an article by Professor G. Jeffrey Taylor, Ph.D at the Hawai‘i Institute of Geophysics and Planetology < link > that states: It appears that this "real" scientist disagrees with you Mom.

"Have you ever considered maybe taking some basic science classes before you try to match wits against an experienced scientist again?"

Maybe I'm not the one that needs to be taking some basic science courses Mom, because strangely enough, unlike you, I knew of the existence of these subterranean bacteria 20 years ago. Now I know you are a hard working govt scientist with no requirement or expectation to perform any real work and as such are a very busy woman, but you really should try to find some time to keep at least somewhat current with matters which you feel qualified to pontificate about.

Have a nice day Mom, and please keep in touch - I really do enjoy watching you make a fool of yourself time after time after time.
63 posted on 12/09/2017 2:05:50 AM PST by Garth Tater (Gone Galt and I ain't coming back.)
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To: Garth Tater
Seriously Mom? A mere 5% of our gene code coming in from viral sources over 10 million generations and you think that that is comparable to what is being done in genetic engineering labs today?

I'll bet you live in some kind of human-fabricated structure instead of a cave that took eons to form. But are you complaining about that? No? So what, if we have learned to use Nature's tools for our own betterment and can do so in far faster fashion and in a much more directed way?

And the process of viral material entering genomes is on-going. Koalas in Australia are undergoing such a genome-altering event right now, and scientists are tracking it.

And I see you want to go back to our CO2 conversation which you abandoned last time when I disproved your assertion that all biomass comes originally from the process of photosynthesis. [...] Some bacteria live on nothing but rock and water, extracting energy from chemical reactions rather than from sunlight."

Once again, you are illustrating your own lack of knowledge and projecting it on to me. Note that the professor stated that the energy comes from chemical reactions, not that the basic building block of biomolecules is anything other than CO2.

If you were to take a basic biology class, you would learn that photosynthesis takes place in two steps. The first step is the gathering of light energy and converting it to chemical energy. The second step is the use of the chemical energy to convert CO2 to glucose and the other biomolecules. What the professor said is not that the bacteria bypass the use of CO2, but that they bypassed the use of photo energy. If you were to read down in that same link, you would see this little tidbit: "In their scheme, the methane was made by bacteria that used the hydrogen and carbon dioxide in the water. High methane contents were associated with enrichments of carbon-12 over carbon-13. This change in isotopic ratio is characteristic of methane produced by bacteria during the reduction of carbon dioxide, supporting their interpretation. Stevens and McKinley also devised two experiments to see if these reactions would take place and if bacteria could live in an environment consisting of oxygen-free water and rock." And you can read down the page, where they carefully set up experiments to show that the bacteria did, indeed, use chemical energy to convert CO2 to other carbon molecules.

Maybe I'm not the one that needs to be taking some basic science courses ...

You have demonstrated multiple times that you desperately need to take a class or two. So why don't you take some of those classes, starting with Bio 101, Chem 101, and Phys 101, and working your way up from there? And then you can get back to me in a few years with, perhaps, some informed comments?

64 posted on 12/09/2017 7:33:14 AM PST by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
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To: Garth Tater; exDemMom
Now I know you are a hard working govt scientist with no requirement or expectation to perform any real work and as such are a very busy woman, but you really should try to find some time to keep at least somewhat current with matters which you feel qualified to pontificate about.

When you drop to the level of unsubstantiated personal attacks you lose your credibility.

I've read many of ExDemMom's posts over the years and she is well known on FR and knows what she is talking about.

You, not so much.

Also, she explains stuff. You have not build your case as well.

Your credibility has tanked a lot with some of the assumptions you make about her.

78 posted on 12/09/2017 9:07:40 AM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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