Posted on 12/05/2017 7:01:22 PM PST by markomalley
Sara Carter from Circa News joined Sean Hannity tonight to discuss the latest developments from Dirty Cop Robert Mueller’s Trump-Russia collusion witch hunt.
Via Hannity:
FBI=total joke.
Starting to wonder if Sessions has been given a task that digs into the swamp and the rest has been misdirection....time will tell.
BTT
We lost it when Mr. New World Order became President and implemented the Bush Plan for North Mexico.
Being an American is way down on their list.
“Yes, I know it’s illegal, but you’ll be helping the Democrat Party.”
But they were really helping the Clinton crime family.
Democrats are Democrats Uniparty is Uniparty first.
Being an American is way down on their list.
“Yes, I know it’s illegal, but you’ll be helping the Democrat Party Uniparty.”
But they were really helping the Clinton crime family.
If you only focus on the controlling partners, you leave out these reprobates:
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No, there are other sources both contemporaneous at the time of his transfer and currently.
August 16, 2017A top FBI investigator has unexpectedly stepped away from special counsel Mueller's Russia probe
"Strzok's departure also came one week after The Washington Post reported that Mueller had obtained a search warrant to raid the home of President Donald Trump's former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort. The Post report cited "people familiar with the search," prompting questions about whether anyone on Mueller's team had leaked the existence of the search warrant to the Post."
And the info he supposedly leaked was the story of the SWAT-ike Manafort raid, that was politically very damaging to Mueller? For what supposed purpose?
Pretty obvious. To intimidate other future subjects of interest. The leak was meant to demonstrate that the Mueller team was playing hardball and would go to any length to get at the "truth." Such actions could also spook other targets under surveillance to take actions like destroying possible incriminating evidence.
As far as being politically damaging to Mueller, there was very little outcry from the MSM about the treatment of Manafort. In fact, there were indications that Mueller was doing his job. There was very little sympathy for Manafort who was characterized as a slimeball who advocated for the Russians in Ukraine and was involved in possible money laundering. Bottom line: Manafort got what he deserved. No MSM push back on the protection of civil liberties. Instead, the MSM was gloating about the treatment of Manafort and viewed it as a sign of his guilt.
Add Catherine Herridge to your short list.
Mueller has sealed indictments yet to be released! He is a snake waiting to strike when he is threatened with removal!
Maybe we should privatize this agency. Let professional businesses bid to run it for x number of years and see if it’s run better than with entrenched career aholes.
These two examples hardly qualify as corroboration for the True Pundit story, in my opinion, but I appreciate you finding what you did. Apparently True Pundit remains alone in their specific assertion that a leak is why Strzok was fired from Mueller's team, unless you or others have more to add. And, this is an important distinction, as it appears others on Mueller's team may be guilty of simply sending biased messages around to associates.
To intimidate other future subjects of interest. The leak was meant to demonstrate that the Mueller team was playing hardball and would go to any length to get at the "truth."
A fair point, but again in my opinion it blew up in their face, in the court of public opinion, where any trial of Trump will primarily be judged. They should have known how that would be viewed, to anyone besides the most liberal partisan. You don't normally go kicking the doors in to people's homes before dawn unless you think theiy're armed and dangerous.
As far as being politically damaging to Mueller, there was very little outcry from the MSM about the treatment of Manafort. In fact, there were indications that Mueller was doing his job. There was very little sympathy for Manafort who was characterized as a slimeball who advocated for the Russians in Ukraine and was involved in possible money laundering. Bottom line: Manafort got what he deserved.
What the media hopes the public will believe based on their slanted reporting, and what the public ultimately believes are not usually the same, see Roy Moore as Exhibit A. So we're still not finding much agreement, but thanks again for your lengthy response.
Bttt.
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I don't consider True Pundit to be the primary source. This rumor has been out there for some time. There are plenty of other examples where this rumor has been posited, both at the time of the transfer to HR and currently.
Apparently True Pundit remains alone in their specific assertion that a leak is why Strzok was fired from Mueller's team, unless you or others have more to add. And, this is an important distinction, as it appears others on Mueller's team may be guilty of simply sending biased messages around to associates.
I am not going to supply you with more examples that are readily available in you use Google. As someone who spent 36 years working for the federal government, I knew at the time that something was up with Strzog. HR is used as a holding tank for people who are unassignable due to personnel issues. Was it a coincidence that this occurred just a few weeks after the Manafort leak? Doubtful.
Mueller's team is stacked with partisans. If sending biased messages to colleagues was the criterion for dismissal from the team, there would probably be no one left. There had to be another reason why Strzog was sent to Siberia. The OIG inspection apparently provided some of this information on Strzog's text messages. But there is a reason why DOJ and the FBI stonewalled Congress on information about Strzog and prevented his testimony before the House intel committee. IMO there is a major investigation into Strzog's actions during the email and Russia investigations. You don't put Strzog in HR for such a long time without having significant evidence of possible wrongdoing.
A fair point, but again in my opinion it blew up in their face, in the court of public opinion, where any trial of Trump will primarily be judged. They should have known how that would be viewed, to anyone besides the most liberal partisan. You don't normally go kicking the doors in to people's homes before dawn unless you think theiy're armed and dangerous.
We will just agree to disagree. There was no public outcry about the treatment of Manafort or his indictment. In fact, it was celebrated by the MSM as a harbinger of things to come. Mad dog Weissmann is on the case.
What the media hopes the public will believe based on their slanted reporting, and what the public ultimately believes are not usually the same, see Roy Moore as Exhibit A. So we're still not finding much agreement, but thanks again for your lengthy response.
So far, the public remains on the side of the MSM. Trump's approval ratings remain consistently low. The reporting on Strzog has been minimal except for Fox. The networks are burying the story and only report what they must to appear that there is any scintilla of journalism left.
Roy Moore may emerge victorious in AL, but he will be attacked once he reaches the Senate. The Dems will try to use the allegations of pedophilia as an albatross around the Reps' necks citing Romney, Flake, McCain, etc. You are living in a bubble if you think that the public is outraged about the treatment of Manafort, Flynn, Moore etc. When you have Reps attacking them, how do you convince the public that the Dems are wrong?
A lot can happen between now and next November, but right now, the Dems have a real shot at taking the House. The Mueller investigation will have an influence. So will tax reform if the Reps can pull it off. Trump needs some wins.
Reports I read said agents “pick-locked” their way in, which imo in much worse that kicking in doors and entering loudly. Pretty sure my husband would have grabbed the Remington shotgun by our bed, confronted the “intruders” and be dead now.
So how would Mueller have known that quickly afterward that Strzok was the leaker, if that happened, since the IG is the one who supposedly found it?
Mueller's team is stacked with partisans. If sending biased messages to colleagues was the criterion for dismissal from the team, there would probably be no one left.
Exactly why the accuracy of this is so important. The goal should be to disband Mueller's team, so if we can do it based on text messages, which are likely already existing, the hanging fruit becomes lower.
There had to be another reason why Strzog was sent to Siberia.
I'm not sure of that. The currently believed story is that his firing was for these messages, not a leak. So the believability off it just being messages is high, and we want to keep it there unless there's concrete proof to the opposite.
But there is a reason why DOJ and the FBI stonewalled Congress on information about Strzog and prevented his testimony before the House intel committee.
And the answer is obvious if you weren't so committed to defending (your friends at?) the DoJ. The President was able to forcefully speak out about the double standard going back to Clinton. The crush on Mueller's credibility has been quick and severe, with multiple op-eds calling for his ouster yesterday. Of course they wanted it kept quiet.
IMO there is a major investigation into Strzog's actions during the email and Russia investigations. You don't put Strzog in HR for such a long time without having significant evidence of possible wrongdoing.
We'll see, but I clearly remain skeptical, as they are already misleading with what is going on by calling the IG audit an "investigation" when that process is clearly not an actual FBI investigation. It's an audit. Has it led to an actual investigation, before the audit is even officially over? I doubt it, since the audit isn't over, and he's still drawing a check reporting to the office. In many actual investigations against law enforcement officers, they are typically suspended and kept from workforce interactions completely.
We will just agree to disagree. There was no public outcry about the treatment of Manafort or his indictment.
You're either hanging in the wrong circles, in the D.C. bubble, or both.
So far, the public remains on the side of the MSM. Trump's approval ratings remain consistently low.
Actually a new MSM poll came out this morning showing him at 47%, and as the election showed his polls are always lower than actual.
The reporting on Strzog has been minimal except for Fox. The networks are burying the story and only report what they must to appear that there is any scintilla of journalism left.
I was actually watching CNN the day the story broke, and they actually we're all admitting how damaging this is for Mueller. It could actually prove fatal, eventually, for several in the DoJ.
Roy Moore may emerge victorious in AL, but he will be attacked once he reaches the Senate.
I'm sure he will be, by those in your bubble. Hasn't worked yet.
A lot can happen between now and next November, but right now, the Dems have a real shot at taking the House.
Exactly why I'm hot on the tail of Freepers who are trying to give the Democratic viewpoints credibility, such as how honest they believe the current DoJ is.
Good point. It means those DoJ agents would have been unnecessarily loaded to the gills as well.
Attempting to nullify the 2016 Presidential election results, because they didn't like the outcome, is a pretty major big time deal.
I like Sara but I will believe this when I see it. Those America loving patriots I keep hearing about at the FBI, CIA, and NSA are as elusive as bigfoot. I hear they are going to put the country first and then I watch nothing happen time and time again.
You are correct the FBI is totally corrupt and honestly if I were sitting on a jury and the prosecutor produced evidence that the FBI crime lab was involved with I would have doubts and if special agents were involved I would have major doubts about anything they might have said or done in a criminal investigation.
Twenty years ago I would have had no major issues with the FBI, NSA, CIA in an case, now I just don’t believe or trust anything they are involved with. And the sad fact of the matter is that these “America loving” FBI, NSA, CIA, ATF etc... agents have brought this level of distrust and shame on themselves.
IMO Strzok was already under surveillance by the IG. They already had his emails expressing his support of Hillary and dislike of Trump during the campaign. The IG's January 2017 mandate, as shown below, was quite specific, including leaks. It is quite possible that Strzog was involved in leaking of Flynn's conversations with the Russians and the IG became aware of it at some point. The IG would certainly have contacted Mueller if they found that one of his staff was a leaker. The integrity of the investigation was paramount. It is why Mueller kept it quiet.
The goal should be to disband Mueller's team, so if we can do it based on text messages, which are likely already existing, the hanging fruit becomes lower.
Disband how? So far, none of Mueller's staff has resigned or been let go except Strzog. And if they go, who determines the replacement? The investigation will go on until Mueller decides it is finished or Trump fires the lot of them, which would result in a political firestorm reminiscent of the Saturday night massacre.
I'm not sure of that. The currently believed story is that his firing was for these messages, not a leak. So the believability off it just being messages is high, and we want to keep it there unless there's concrete proof to the opposite.
Who is the source for the reason for his firing? Can we believe it? IMO his firing had more to do with what the IG found about his substantive role in the investigations and possible leaking than some text messages. You don't assign someone to a holding tank (HR) for such a long time. The FBI did not want to assign him to a substantive job, something highly unusual given his grade and status within the organization. I have worked in the bureaucracy for 36 years and was an SES officer.
And the answer is obvious if you weren't so committed to defending (your friends at?) the DoJ. The President was able to forcefully speak out about the double standard going back to Clinton. The crush on Mueller's credibility has been quick and severe, with multiple op-eds calling for his ouster yesterday. Of course they wanted it kept quiet.
Multiple of op-eds from whom? The WSJ and the NYP are the only ones I am aware of. The NYT, WP, and LAT have not called for Mueller to resign or be fired. Nor has NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, or Fox. As I mentioned before, you seem to living in a bubble or echo chamber. Aside from those on our side, the perception of Mueller is quite different than the one we have.
We'll see, but I clearly remain skeptical, as they are already misleading with what is going on by calling the IG audit an "investigation" when that process is clearly not an actual FBI investigation. It's an audit. Has it led to an actual investigation, before the audit is even officially over? I doubt it, since the audit isn't over, and he's still drawing a check reporting to the office. In many actual investigations against law enforcement officers, they are typically suspended and kept from workforce interactions completely.
That's not the way it works in the federal government. It is very difficult to fire civil service employees. There are plenty of hoops that management must go through. And until the person is found guilty of an offense, the pay checks continue. Look at the case of Lois Lerner who plead the Fifth but was allowed to retire with a full pension.
We don't know if the IG has already forwarded a recommendation to prosecute Strzog. We don't know who is involved in the 27 leaker cases. DOJ and the FBI cannot confirm or deny the existence of individual investigations.
You're either hanging in the wrong circles, in the D.C. bubble, or both.
Give me some examples of public outrage by the public or the MSM on the treatment of Manafort.
-> The integrity of the investigation was paramount. It is why Mueller kept it quiet.
If that’s your way of saying the last thing he wanted was for this to get out because it would lead to universal outrage and multiple calls for him to resign, then I agree, because that’s exactly what happened.
-> Disband how? So far, none of Mueller’s staff has resigned or been let go except Strzog.
One at a time as their bias becomes more evident. There have been some reports that Strzok’s mistress may have been on Mueller’s team but subsequently removed as well.
-> The investigation will go on until Mueller decides it is finished or Trump fires the lot of them, which would result in a political firestorm reminiscent of the Saturday night massacre.
We’ll see about that. Mueller may be forced to resign if he finds himself under investigation, to focus on his own defense. Same for Rosenstein. The evidence against Trump appears to have petered out so a flood is now pouring in indicating a crooked DoJ.
-> The FBI did not want to assign him to a substantive job, something highly unusual given his grade and status within the organization. I have worked in the bureaucracy for 36 years and was an SES officer.
They’re just waiting on the IG audit to complete, and could easily re-assign him later to something where they don’t think he’s biased. But if he were actually under investigation, he would almost certainly be suspended, as it happens to FBI agents all the time.
-> Multiple of op-eds from whom? The WSJ and the NYP are the only ones I am aware of.
Two does meet the definition of multiple, does it not? I also saw one from Investors Business Daily, and there are likely even more. It has been a major setback for Mueller, that will continue to bleed indefinitely from here.
-> That’s not the way it works in the federal government. It is very difficult to fire civil service employees. There are plenty of hoops that management must go through. And until the person is found guilty of an offense, the pay checks continue.
This is more related to law enforcement than general civil service, and there are plenty of examples of FBI agents being suspended when they are actually under investigation. Are claiming they are never suspended? Probably not, because you know that is incorrect, so quit skirting around it.
-> Give me some examples of public outrage by the public or the MSM on the treatment of Manafort.
Anyone following this case knows that was the first action that Mueller took that drew outrage, by even some liberal newscasters. His credibility has been going down ever since. And by extension, so has Rosenstein’s, and so has Sessions. It’s clear you don’t care how conservatives feel about any of this, but the fact is momentum is definitely swinging our way.
The calls for Mueller's resignation are coming from the right. There is no universal outrage.
One at a time as their bias becomes more evident. There have been some reports that Strzok’s mistress may have been on Mueller’s team but subsequently removed as well.
One at a time? Dream on. And anyone who leaves will be replaced by Mueller.
We’ll see about that. Mueller may be forced to resign if he finds himself under investigation, to focus on his own defense. Same for Rosenstein. The evidence against Trump appears to have petered out so a flood is now pouring in indicating a crooked DoJ.
Again. You are living in an echo chamber. The MSM is not portraying a crooked DOJ. They are barely covering, if at all, scandals like Uranium One and the crooked FBI agent. The calls for Mueller's and Rosenstein's resignations are coming from the Right just like the Left was calling for the resignation of Ken Starr.
They’re just waiting on the IG audit to complete, and could easily re-assign him later to something where they don’t think he’s biased. But if he were actually under investigation, he would almost certainly be suspended, as it happens to FBI agents all the time.
LOL. He is under "suspension" by being assigned to the holding tank of HR. This is what happens when you are under investigation. If you believe the reports, a section of the OIG report deals with Strzog. It is how we got copies of his emails that were sent during the Trump campaign. The future for Strzog will be what amounts to a forced retirement or a possible indictment. He is finished in the FBI.
Two does meet the definition of multiple, does it not? I also saw one from Investors Business Daily, and there are likely even more. It has been a major setback for Mueller, that will continue to bleed indefinitely from here.
Until calls for Mueller's resignation come from the NYT, WP, LAT, USAToday, etc., there will be no pressure for him to resign. You are living in a fantasy world.
This is more related to law enforcement than general civil service, and there are plenty of examples of FBI agents being suspended when they are actually under investigation. Are claiming they are never suspended? Probably not, because you know that is incorrect, so quit skirting around it.
How do you define "suspended?" As I said, being parked in HR without a substantive job is a suspension. He has been in this status for almost 6 months. How much do you know about federal service and the conditions that obtain? Have you worked for the federal government?
Anyone following this case knows that was the first action that Mueller took that drew outrage, by even some liberal newscasters. His credibility has been going down ever since. And by extension, so has Rosenstein’s, and so has Sessions. It’s clear you don’t care how conservatives feel about any of this, but the fact is momentum is definitely swinging our way.
If only that were true.
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