Posted on 12/04/2017 4:13:25 PM PST by profit_guy
I didn't realize that hurricane refugee Puerto Ricans could vote in Florida? Is this something to be concerned about?
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Right, corporate deductions on the property tax they pay are untouched but W-2 Schmendricks are now capped at 10K, just cause Cohn and Mnuchin say so.
LOL
A shitstorm of unprecedented proportion is about to come down on the GOP, this and the loss of SALT will stop BILLIONS of dollars in new housing construction that was about to start.
But hey, Goldman Sachs got their 30 pieces of Silver, the GOYIM can PISS OFF.
SALT = Strategic Arms Limitation Talks is all I can find, not wanting to bother you. But that doesn't seem like it would adversely impact new housing construction directly anyway.
I care about it because I care about jobs and the economy even though those no longer apply to me personally except some deductions. I wish you would be wrong but even if it isn't that bad, Trump and the Republicans have to get blamed for everything. I thought Trump would do better than that, regret that I got impatient and muttered to my daughter they should just get a bill out there and amend it later. I know that could spell trouble, too.
I understand a whole lot about taxes having done them for H&R Block and kept up but am no expert at some of the finer points I haven't had to deal with, have my own prepared by a CPA now. But when talk comes around to deductions and itemizing, I understand it and what all can be included and the pitfalls and limitations of the medical, etc. Anyway, as it went along, I got this sinking feeling in my stomach thinking I don't like them taking all that away because it doesn't sound like the "improvements" amount to anything.
Of course, they will have to remember/be reminded to register to vote in Florida.
As American citizens, the Puerto Ricans can register in Florida. As non-citizen immigrants, Venezuelans will have to first become citizens.
True. But they are here legally and a lot of them are doing that.
Puerto Rico was ceded to the USA after the Spanish American as spoils of War. They were given full American citizenship many decades ago. There are more Puerto Ricans living in the USA than in the islands. My neighbor across the street is a dual service 38 year veteran E-9, and even fought in Grenada and Panama.
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A "citizen" is not necessarily a "natural born citizen."
If they were, the framers, and those that ratified and subsequently amended the federal Constitution, would not have had to make the distinction. AI,S2,C2 & AI,S3,C3 vs AII,S1,C5
So no, not all Puerto Ricans are "natural born Citizens" simply because they are U.S. "citizens" just as not all "citizens" in the U.S. are "natural born Citizens." The example most people understand is Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Not to mention, there are probably a certain percentage of those PR "refugee's" that aren't even citizens of PR.
Because you stated "They are all natural-born American citizens." And that's not necessarily true unless of course you know the backgrounds on each and every one of them.
Which is why I asked that question.
Puerto Ricans are automatically U.S. citizens."
But not all U.S. "citizens" are "natural born Citizens", regardless of location. There is a distinction.
Only by way of a bastardization of the 14th Amendment. If our country followed original intent, simply being born on US soil would not be enough to gain "citizenship."
This of course, says nothing about the distinct difference between a "citizen" of the U.S. and a "natural born Citizen" of the U.S. which is what I was responding to in post #19.
But not all "citizens" are necessarily "natural born Citizens."[1][2][3]
A distinction I was making with my question in #19.
The U.S. Constitution uses but does not define the phrase "natural born Citizen", and various opinions have been offered over time regarding its precise meaning. The consensus of early 21st-century constitutional scholars, together with relevant case law, is that natural-born citizens include, subject to exceptions, those born in the United States. Many scholars have also concluded that those who meet the legal requirements for U.S. citizenship "at the moment of birth", regardless of place of birth, are also natural-born citizens.I find no 'exception' such that the nationality of the parents is a factor.
LOL, no they couldn’t. Not unless Florida suddenly gets 30 senators.
What I wrote was practically a tautology, i.e. true by definition.
If they are actually Puerto Ricans, they are actually U.S. citizens.
I recently spoke with my son who lives near San Juan. They have their water and electric back, and their kids are in school. I asked him about this past spring’s plebiscite and how the PR people felt about statehood, independence, or continuing with the Commonwealth status. He said the majority preferred the status quo. The link below reports that Statehood won overwhelmingly, but with only 23% of the electorate voting. The rest stayed home, which has been a pattern in past elections, where, for example, 500,000 reported a none vote in protest.
Thanks. Glad things are slowly but surely returning to normal.
I’m not sure what they thing this will win them down there.
They will still have to come up with a state budget, pay down debt and do the sorts of things they’ve always done, only now as a state.
I’m not in favor of it. Do we really need another Socialist Worker’s Paradise, in the form of a state?
BTW: If I stepped on some toes with those comments, talk to me. You may have some good reasons for supporting it, if you do, and I’d like to here another side of it so that I can understand where folks are coming from who support it.
I live in Jacksonville, Florida.
Florida is not going blue any time soon.
You did not step on my toes. I support the right of PR to petition for statehood as I support the same for the citizens of Washington, DC to petition for statehood. The difference is that over 70% of DC voters last election voted for statehood. In PR, the bulk of voters boycotted the spring 2017 vote, but most of the 23% who did vote favored statehood. Significant difference is that DC pays full federal tax but can only vote for President and VP. PR pays NO federal tax and can’t vote for POTUS, VP or Congresspeople. Also DC pays a lot more to the feds than it gets back in fed grants. PR has serious debt. In DC, now that the population is approaching 50% white, the situation may change. Also in DC the likelihood of a Socialist Workers Paradise is low as only 20% supported Bernie Sanders last primary. Most significant and shameful is the fact that DC is the only capital of a major country that does not grant full citizenship rights to it’s citizens. I have no opinion as to the status PR should vote for. However, their stated fear of fed taxes does not affect the majority of their people who are low income with children, at least under the current tax structure.
Thank you for your observations.
I have no problem with any of it. Interesting and appreciated...
You can also go to whatever state you please, register there, and then vote. If former residents of PR register in Florida then they will have to pay any Florida taxes and be eligible to vote there. We are all citizens of the USA first and of our states second. That is what the Civil War was about. I am more familiar with the situation in Washington, DC where people are also seeking statehood. The difference there is that over 70% of DC voters approved that quest, whereas fewer than 23% percent of PR voters favor statehood. Significant numbers in DC maintain registration in their home states so that they will not loose the right to elect Congresspeople. Thus they pay state taxes where they maintain registration, not to the DC government which provides police, fire protection, highway maintenance, etc. DC residents pay full federal taxes, they can only vote for POTUS and VP, plus a NON-VOTING delegate to the House of Representatives. Does that seem fair to you??
There was a reason why the inhabitants of the District of Colombia were not allowed to vote.
It’s been so long since I’ve studied it, I’ve forgotten the reason.
It may or may not make sense any longer.
It is interesting the way things work in the District compared with Puerto Rico, as you have laid them out here.
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