Posted on 12/01/2017 11:09:45 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
If I kick some kid's ass in the school playground, and then my friend convinces the kid not to retaliate against me, then how the hell is my friend acting against MY interests?
He is the WORST excuse for a legal advisor on the planet.
So glad you mentioned it.
The mediauh, the Dems, are in for another epic failure in the mid-term elections.
Impeach Trump for BS and the shooting will start.
Anyone American citizen can talk to any foreigner, all they want, perfectly legal.
Except when that foreigner represents and negotiates on behalf of a foreign government, and what you agree to is contrary to the stated government policy of the USA.
That’s illegal because it subverts our government, even if it’s done one minute before Obama is out of office. That’s what happened.
Est verboten!!
This is good news. Napolitano’s never been right about anything.
Have you ever actually read the logan act? It doesn’t say, “You can’t talk to a foreign power.”
There are very specific elements:
You have to have be acting “without authority of the United States” and with specific “intent to influence” the foreign government or agent thereof,
“in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States” OR “to defeat the measures of the United States.”
Cooperation with ISIS isn’t an attempt to defeat any measures of the United States, and there wasn’t any “dispute or controversies.”
And you are just flat out wrong about “only the Supreme Court” can throw out a statute. Any federal court can enjoin the enforceability of or dismiss an indictment based on an unconstitutional statute.
The void-for-vagueness doctrine IS a Supreme Court doctrine, and that is the precise problem with the act as written, and that’s what the Court in the Waldron case pointed out.
Your precious Logan Act is unconstitutional as written, because “defeat” and “measures” aren’t enough to put anyone on notice as to what those terms mean in accordance with the Sixth Amendment.
So go cry elsewhere.
A few years ago I went to a party at the Prime Minister of Belize’s residence. I actually spoke to him. I was at the time unauthorized to speak to him. Please, keep this between us here.
Looks to me like Flynn and Manafort were working angles of their own, Clinton-style.
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Let’s see, I believe Flynn is a Democrat and Manafort was working with the Podestas.
Unfortunately it was only obvious to some of us. Another group here is still convinced Mueller is working for Trump and actually targeting Hillary, even after today, believe it or not.
Any Logan Act nonsense against Trump is not going anywhere but down the toilet.
I like you, tuffgirl. Can tell you know the books.
Quote: “Unfortunately it was only obvious to some of us. Another group here is still convinced Mueller is working for Trump and actually targeting Hillary, even after today, believe it or not.”
It is wondrous to behold that this is happening in our country. Basically, he only brings the indictment against Flynn and can count on the media running wild in any direction that they so choose.
Fire Mueller and get several Special Counsels to get the evidence on Hillary, all her cronies, Obama and all his cronies, weaponizing the IC, the Unmasking and again, too many crimes, scandals, sedition and treason to mention here. Real Crimes!
In addition to the Act violating the Sixth Amendment, most scholarship on the topic also believes that it violates the First Amendment as well.
The law doesn’t define “disputes or controversies” between
the foreign country and the U.S., nor does it say what it means to “defeat the measures of the U.S.”
Remember, the Federalist Congress that passed the Logan Act in 1799 had also passed the Sedition Act of 1798. That was the law made it a crime to impede any act of government or prevent a government officer from performing his duty. It was used to attack newspaper publishers who were against the Federalist position.
The Sedition Act is the law that is used as an illustration of laws that violate of the First Amendment.
The last time the Logan Act nonsense was drummed up, was when libtards were trying to say that 47 members of Congress violated it by sending a letter to Iran during the Obama Administration. It’s a sham.
“Israel contacted the US president-elect’s transition team after learning that the Obama administration might abstain in a Security Council vote.”
This is the UN vote the Flynn was calling world leaders about
If Trump promised Putin something for help getting elected (quid-pro-quo, ignoring US interests for Trump’s personal success, etc), let’s get it over and move on to President Pence. I’m all for impeachment if it happened.
But we’re 15 or 16 months into multiple investigations (FBI, congress, Mueller). We need to either move into impeachment now, or stop hoping that someone who lied to the FBI may have some information that the FBI was not able to find in a year and a half with at best questionably legal surveillance that may eventually lead to some other information that we have an illegitimate president.
If our FBI REALLY, REALLY, REALLY sucks and cannot tell that the US president is a Russian agent after a year and a half they need to be shut down. If they are competent at any level, we need to move on if this is all they have on the Trump campaign. They cannot claim that both 1) they are competent and 2) investigations need to continue.
Yes, the Logan Act is what they jailed Jane Fonda for when she smilingly embraced the NVA antiaircraft guns used to shoot down American aircraft. She spent a lot of time in prison, didn’t she??
Judge Napolitano seems to be an active Never Trumper. Tiring.
Thanks for the background on the Logan Act. Yep also seems to be a big conflation of its intent.
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