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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It would all make sense if the church and churches which are devoted to religion weren’t also nasty, corrupt and immoral. They have all the things we keep saying will rid our society of societal ills. The ten commandments. Prayer. Meditation. Bible study. All that. And yet the leaders, pastors and members are themselves nasty, corrupt and immoral.


2 posted on 11/29/2017 3:25:18 AM PST by joesbucks
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To: joesbucks

It would all make sense if the church and churches which are devoted to religion weren’t also nasty, corrupt and immoral. They have all the things we keep saying will rid our society of societal ills. The ten commandments. Prayer. Meditation. Bible study. All that. And yet the leaders, pastors and members are themselves nasty, corrupt and immoral.

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Astute article, however, your response indicates you have experienced hypocrisy in Christian leadership...yes it is there, especially those in limelight. I’d encourage you you to seek those whom are more anonymous. Don’t toss the baby with the bathwater. Our Maker doesn’t give us free passes just because some whom follow Him we don’t like.


4 posted on 11/29/2017 3:37:23 AM PST by CincyRichieRich (Extraordinary acts of God often start with ordinary acts of obedience. P. Yefros)
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To: joesbucks

not all churches are as you say. not all church leaders are as you say.

leaders and churches are made of people with flaws and weak spots.

God, His word, is not corrupt. read and follow that and allow in your judgment for the fact we (all humans, believers or not) are flawed should you choose to attend a church.

Church attendance is to go and worship God first and foremost according to the bible. Anything else good you get from attending is a bonus. Take the focus off what do you get from church and change to worshipping God and what can you give while there (kind words to others, encourage the pastor on any part of sermon you liked, your tithe/offering, sign up to help out in some way, etc)


5 posted on 11/29/2017 3:41:16 AM PST by b4me (God Bless the USA)
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To: joesbucks
...the leaders, pastors and members are themselves nasty, corrupt and immoral.

I don't see that; if you look at any group there will be a certain percentage who are criminal or bad of course. For instance, Bradley Edward Manning was a soldier who ended up being nasty, corrupt and immoral. Does that mean I should hate all soldiers and the Army? No. The vast majority in the Army are good people. The Army is a great organization.

For Pastors what I see in my town (in the Bible believing churches) is many pastors who are moral leaders helping their people study the Bible and live by God's word.
6 posted on 11/29/2017 3:44:21 AM PST by \/\/ayne (I regret that I have but one subscription cancellation notice to give to my local newspaper.)
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To: joesbucks

>>It would all make sense if the church and churches which are devoted to religion weren’t also nasty, corrupt and immoral. They have all the things we keep saying will rid our society of societal ills. The ten commandments. Prayer. Meditation. Bible study. All that. And yet the leaders, pastors and members are themselves nasty, corrupt and immoral.

If they all can’t be perfect, then none of them have value? America is an experiment in individual self-governance. We have lots of rights, but very few responsibilities. Without God-imposed morality, we are left with human-created morality. Your clergy may be corrupt and the guy next to you in the pew may be a jerk, so it’s your job to be the Spirit-led role model.

Of course, they might think that you are the corrupt jerk. No one ever wakes up and thinks, “I will be evil today.” They always convince themselves that they are doing good works and the other people are wrong.


7 posted on 11/29/2017 3:58:44 AM PST by Bryanw92 (Asking a pro athlete for political advice is like asking a cavalry horse for tactical advice.)
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And yet the leaders, pastors and members are themselves nasty, corrupt and immoral.

That's known as "the human condition."

9 posted on 11/29/2017 5:21:12 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (<img src="http://i.imgur.com/WukZwJP.gif" width=800>)
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To: joesbucks

“The ten commandments. Prayer. Meditation. Bible study. All that. And yet the leaders, pastors and members are themselves nasty, corrupt and immoral.”

NONE of that will rid society of its ills. A personal relationship with Jesus Christ and heeding His statement that the two greatest commandments are to love God with all my heart, soul, mind and strength and love my neighbor as myself will.


14 posted on 11/29/2017 6:46:43 AM PST by jagusafr
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To: joesbucks

If you were to take down a nation, where would you start first? Within its moral ranks. Satan is at war with the church and therefore its leaders and members are constantly under attack. The church is infiltrated by those who want to live a life in opposition to the head of the church, the Messiah and Savior, in whose steps they/we are to follow.

Seeing the corruption is what is keeping you from knowing a forgiving and loving King of kings who is no longer a servant but a warrior and who is also the judge advocate of those who in humility acknowledge their failure to Him. He taught them to pray “forgive us as we forgive those who trespass against us” because those who know Him want to be like Him.

Throughout the Bible the prophets and teachers said if you want to know God, get close to Him and He will get close to you. Don’t let anything get between you and Him. Not anything or anyone, especially yourself! :) talking from experience.

What is in The Bible are the weapons and the armor to keep one from being attacked and to fight those attacks off. America is in a spiritual war.


23 posted on 11/29/2017 9:42:38 AM PST by huldah1776 ( Vote Pro-life! Allow God to bless America before He avenges the death of the innocent.)
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To: joesbucks

“And yet the leaders, pastors and members are themselves nasty, corrupt and immoral.”


Very largely untrue from what I am witnessing, concerning Christians and Boudhists.
Even if it was true, it would be relevant only if comparing it to a society without religion or Christianity.


24 posted on 11/29/2017 9:53:02 AM PST by miniTAX (n)
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