Posted on 11/27/2017 9:16:15 AM PST by jazusamo
I don't have the case or ruling in that case but to bear arms meant whatever weaponry a person was able to carry. They were called arms back in the day because you would use your arms to carry them into conflict. The word expanded to armament which no longer meant weaponry that could be carried in one's arms.
So, we’ll stay in a holding pattern until some Leftists justices die off and Trump appoints replacements. Maybe that’s OK, as long as you stay out of Leftists-controlled states like MD, MA, CT, RI, NY, NJ, IL, OR, CA, and HI.
In CA and some other states, where CCW is “may issue” as opposed to “shall issue”, if the state or county decides not to issue, then without open carry, they have infringed. So the argument that open carry is not protected might be defendable in a “shall issue” CCW state, but not in a “may issue” state, and definitely not in a “no issue” state.
>>>You can keep and bear your penis, but you can’t open carry that either<<<
If it’s big enough to club someone to death it must be a challenge to keep it concealed.
“the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed”
HISTORICAL and CONTEMPORARY WITH THOSE TIMES DEFINITIONS OF TO KEEP AND BEAR
“TO BEAR ARMS” IS A MILITARY TERM-
TO KEEP ARMS IS IMPLICIT IN “TO BEAR ARMS”
In any debate, one should define the terms used in the debate: \
Thusly:
Definition of to “KEEP” to preserve and maintain..
TO GUARD; DEFEND
to “KEEP” `means NOT TO LET GO ONE`S POSSESSION OR CONTROL”
“KEEPER”,n., “one who n., “one who watches, GUARDS, maintains” Webster`s Dictionary, p.460
to “BEAR: 1. to support and move; CARRY.
2. to be equipped furnished ..as to BEAR A SWORD.
3. to be directed; to be pointed, as TO PLANT GUNS TO BEAR
UPON AS a trench
1777 Battle of Bennington
“I enlisted said he at Francestown NH in Colonel Stickney’s regiment and Captain Clark’s company as soon as I learned that Stark would accept the command of the State troops six or seven others from the same town joined the army at the same time. We marched forthwith to Number Four and stayed there a week. Meantime I received a horn of powder and run two or three hundred bullets. I HAD BROUGHT MY OWN GUN [my caps].” p393 - “History of
Newbury, Vermont: From the Discovery of the Coös Country to ...” edited by Frederic Palmer Wells
...Who saved Baltimore? ... Who obtained the victory at New Orleans?
These militia, trained and disciplined in their own houses; not practised in the field, but BRINGING THEIR GUNS
WHICH THEY WERE TAUGHT TO USE WHEN CHILDREN..”p.111, p.168 are sourced from �Proceedings and Debates of the Convention of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, Vol. 4, by the Pennsylvania Constitutional Convention, 1837-8
“That no officer lnlist any man for the service of this Colony who hath not a good firearm.” Mar. 6, 1776 P81 Bouton
1777 KIDS FIGHT WITH MUSKETS AND BAYONETS
AT BATTLE OF SARATOGA
Thirteen year old boys with muskets fought at Saratoga Dwight,”The Northern Traveler”, p141
You are definitely on point here. To bear is to carry, so the supreme Court just declared Florida’s licensure scheme unconstitutional.
When guns are outlawed, I’ll still have mine.
This court, even with Justice Gorsuch now on the bench, is still razor thin on keeping our 2nd Amend. rights safe. It now would be erasing this Amendment had Hillary won. Pres. Trump in for 4 years is a good turn of events. We have to hope the 2018 and 2020 elections do not go towards the liberal socialist Democrats.
“You can keep and bear your penis, but you can’t open carry that either.”
Tell that to our illustrious politicians who find it necessary to expose themselves.
Now, at this point it is up to Floridians to change the law then. SCOTUS did not say open carry is unconstitutional.
Historically, open carry was righteous, and concealed carry presumptive evidence of criminal intent.
They are making it a State issue.
Such denials are not necessarily bad. SCOTUS has to work with the case at hand, which isn’t always what you want national case law built on (say, mass murderer trying to beat a “possession of an assault weapon” violation).
They left open the possibility of taking the issues up later, after another conservative is appointed to the SC.
“Yes, please keep it concealed. It would provoke all sorts of discomfort, fear and humor to the unsuspecting public.”
Well, unless you’er a DEMONcrat, in which case it’s publicity would earn you status as “an icon” replete with all attendant acts of — ahem — worship.
Need to get 2-3 more SCOTUS seats for Trump....
Until so many of us start carrying that they cannot deal with it due to lack of courtrooms and jail cells, this crap will continue.
BTW, is the Court required to give a reason for declining to take up these cases?
You can bear arms plain and simple. Carry on your shoulder, carry it in your hands. fasten it to your wagon, holster with your horse, put in your rucksack. What convincing argument is there that the Founders meant otherwise?
They were men of common sense, not tricksters trying to formulate some complicated "code phrase" that needed delicate parsing.
Correct, there will be another day on this in the future.
No it is not.
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