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To: NobleFree

LOLOL. You know what I meant so what is your problem? Are you a typo police man now????? LOL-—I have better things to do than take precious minutes proof-reading everything I rapidly type and lots of times I type their for there but on “posts”, it really shouldn’t matter if the meaning is clear which it obviously was to you. BTW—for you I really was thinking “mute” (dumb) since I am never a perfect Christian.

You are totally ignorant of the concept of human nature (from Natural Law Theory). As Christians rightly put it we are born with original sin-—and so we are fallen and it is NOT possible to be “perfect” as Marxists think we can. Since we are fallen and can’t be perfect, we NEED some government (laws) and a “Justice” system to settle disputes in a rational, just (virtuous) way.

Only Jesus was perfect-—with PERFECT VIRTUE. He needed NO LAWS!
Man needs laws-—and we have them—God’s Laws and if we obey ALL of them, we would be PERFECT and need NO human “laws”. Our Founders all knew we weren’t perfect—and that is why Just Laws can only promote “public virtue” because we tend to be lazy and vice is easier. It is easier to steal the food from a farm, than put in the effort and work of the virtuous farmer.


92 posted on 11/26/2017 5:06:08 PM PST by savagesusie (When Law ceases to be Just, it ceases to be Law. (Thomas A./Founders/John Marshall)/Nuremberg)
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To: savagesusie
[post #85:] unless you want to claim that a law against vice can turn people of vice into people of virtue.

[post #86, in reply:] People of virtue don’t need laws at all.

[post #92:] we are fallen and it is NOT possible to be “perfect” [...] Only Jesus was perfect-—with PERFECT VIRTUE. He needed NO LAWS!

So you thought the question in post #85 was whether a law against vice can turn people of vice into Jesuses?! ... Actually, I can almost believe you did think that.

Since we are fallen and can’t be perfect, we NEED some government (laws)

This lends scant support to the claim that we need a law against private consensual adult sodomy (including marital).

that is why Just Laws can only promote “public virtue”

As often as you drag out the "promotion" straw man to beat, I will point out that to refrain from having a law against a behavior is NOT to "promote" that behavior.

93 posted on 11/27/2017 4:39:58 PM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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